Logic Of Man Cannot Be Infallible, Even With God's Help

[Socrates]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1071680' date='Sep 22 2006, 03:20 PM']
KJV = King James Version

King James = a [size=4]man who ruled over humans[/size], demanding [b]honor and sacrifice[/b] (taxes) and wore [i]frilly clothes [/i] [s][font=Book Antiqua][size=5]and gold on his head with precious stones. Seems to be making himself an idol [/size] [u]and [b]demanding idolatry[/b][color="#000099"].

KJV = King James' VERSION. [/color] HIS[/u] personally supervised version of the Bible. Who the heck was he to tell everyone who how to interpret the Bible with a NEW version, [color="#CC0000"][size=5]removing actual books [/size] [/color] and scripture that had been part of Scripture for about [size=5]1,000 years[/size].

KJV = The version pagan worshipers who [size=7]idolize a mere man to remove scripture and create a [i]false [/i] religion.[/size] They are anti-Christian because [u]they take the words from God's son away from him [/u] and subject them to the interpretation of a [size=4]mere human 'King'[/size].
[size=5]Pagan anti-christs use the KJV.[/size] Look it up, it's common sense.
Unless you are a PEW PUPPY that only reads the SELECTED verses the PREACHER allows you to or you won't keep up with the indoctrination (I mean bible class) that is being forced on you. Sure. They will get you to BUY your own bible ($19.95 @ B&N) along with study guides, work books, colored bracelets with letters and a highlighter.
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[quote]King James = a [size=4]man who ruled over humans[/size], demanding [b]honor and sacrifice[/b] (taxes) and wore [i]frilly clothes [/i][/quote]
Gotta watch out for those guys in frilly clothes!

[quote name='Budge' post='1072070' date='Sep 22 2006, 07:18 PM']
One either believes Scripture is inspired by God or not.

I believe it is.
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2Ti 3:16 [u][size=4]All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God,[/size] [/u]and [u][is] profitable for doctrine[/u], [b]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[/b][/size]

According to the catholics here this scripture is wrong.
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Really? What Catholic here has denied Scripture?

[quote name='Budge' post='1072081' date='Sep 22 2006, 07:23 PM']
Catholicism puts its own leaders and traditions at the same authority level of scripture.

In fact Catholicism claims God's Word cannot stand without its Magisterium and Tradition.

[size=4]CCC 95 "It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God,[u][b] sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. [/b][/u]Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls."[/size]
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Where in the Bible does it say that [b]only[/b] Scripture is inspired by God?

[quote]Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the [b]traditions[/b], which you have learned, [b]whether by word [/b] or by our epistle. [/quote]Thess. 2:14.

[quote]And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And [b]whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.[/b] [/quote] Matt. 16:19.
(Christ gives His authority to a [b]human being[/b], Peter)

Again, "sola scriptura" is nowhere found in the Bible.

[Winchester]

Still waiting for an only.

I ain't goan get it.

[Winchester]

Donde esta mi solo?

[journeyman]

Isn't that the line from the bounty hunter in Star Wars? Right before the Millenium Falcon left planet, in a hurry, again? I never did quite see the translation.

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

[quote name='Budge' post='1072022' date='Sep 22 2006, 07:47 PM']
Cool beans, keep up the good font work!

I havent figured out the color thing yet...
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no offense intended Budge, but I hope you don't either... [size=5] This is DRIVING ME NUTS [/size]

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Where have Catholics responded to me using scripture...

[on some earlier posts] so far today, NOT ONCE...

I read back through this thread, I was the only one who used any scripture.
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Budge Catholics do not deny the scriptures you posted, you just posted scripture, you didn't try to explain the meaning of those scriptures, you wnat us to argue with God and his word? I don't understand your logic here.

[quote name='Budge' post='1072070' date='Sep 22 2006, 08:18 PM']
One either believes Scripture is inspired by God or not.

I believe it is.
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2Ti 3:16 [u][size=4]All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God,[/size] [/u]and [u][is] profitable for doctrine[/u], [b]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[/b][/size]

According to the catholics here this scripture is wrong.
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yes, Budge ALL scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction. What you did NOT show is that ONLY scripture is for this purpose. You did not show that ONLY scripture can do these things. You can't prove those points using scripture, because it is not in scripture. Thus by believing that the Bible is the SOLE authority, you yourself have created man made TRADITION.

Edited September 24, 2006 by PadrePioOfPietrelcino

[jswranch]

[quote name='Budge' post='1071865' date='Sep 22 2006, 05:23 PM']
Its always interesting to me when Catholics start a thread on their own to diss God's Word.
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No we are dissing sola-King James version.


All others,
Wow, does sola-King James make 6 solas? I tell you what job I would not like... being the guy who has to translate the bible from KJV to the foreign languages.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

Budge, you should've kept reading the Catechism! CCC 103!!!

[Budge]

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yes, Budge ALL scripture is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction. What you did NOT show is that ONLY scripture is for this purpose.[/quote]

This is why Catholicism is so befuddled, running after every other source, including extra-biblical items whenever it can, following the authority of men and manmade traditions.

[Winchester]

Where's my only?

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073633' date='Sep 24 2006, 08:40 AM']
This is why Catholicism is so befuddled, running after every other source, including extra-biblical items whenever it can, following the authority of men and manmade traditions.
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And EVERY OTHER 'Christian' religion has a different choice of 'manmade' authority to listen to. Whether it's magisterium in frilly frocks "selling indulgences" or the preacher in an $1,800 suits "peddling tapes, books, and highlighters". I can't believe the pot is calling the kettle black with such blind ignorance. Budge, your posts and opinions are a complete farce and hypocritical to an extreme degree.

Edited September 24, 2006 by Anomaly

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073633' date='Sep 24 2006, 09:40 AM']
This is why Catholicism is so befuddled, running after every other source, including extra-biblical items whenever it can, following the authority of men and manmade traditions.
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Budge, many people have told you what you need to do to prove us wrong.

1) Show us in the Bible where is says that ONLY the bible is profitable for the teachings of faith.
------You can't do it, it doesn't exist. The idea of Sola Scriptura is a MAN MADE TRADITION, with no historical evidence nor connection with the magesterium of the Church. You follow the Traditions of Luther, I follow the traditions of God.

2) Where does it say that only certain translations are appropriate for the above (I have never heard you say it, but I get the impression that you think that only KJV is accurte ) Again you won't find any such scripture, and in fact even the Jews did not have a problem with translations in 4th Century B.B. when they translated the Old Testament into Greek.

[Budge]

[quote]Show us in the Bible where is says that ONLY the bible is profitable for the teachings of faith.[/quote]

In the very last commandment in the Bible God tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.

[quote] "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book:[size=4] If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life,[/size] and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"
-Revelation 22:18-19[/quote]

People often attempt to give human traditions higher authority than God's Word. This was true of the Jews of Jesus' day. The Catholics here who claim their Magisterium has an equal or higher authority then Gods Word, are wrong. In refuting the errors of the Sadducees, the Scripture records the Lord saying, [size=4]"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29). [/size]

[Fides_et_Ratio]

"this book" = "the book of Revelation"

Revelation wasn't written under the pretense that it would be the last of the books of Christian Scripture. That was another 200+ years away.

[Budge]

[quote]Revelation wasn't written under the pretense that it would be the last of the books of Christian Scripture. [/quote]

Youre kidding right?
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Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.[/size]

The Word of God makes it clear that Revelation was to be taught in the churches.

[Winchester]

Where's my only?

[Winchester]

Where's my only?

I'm not letting this go.

Where's it say that only the Bible is to be used?

[mariahLVzJP2]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073962' date='Sep 24 2006, 05:29 PM']
In the very last commandment in the Bible God tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word. [/quote]
um, doesn't the KJV do that??

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073962' date='Sep 24 2006, 05:29 PM']
In the very last commandment in the Bible God tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.



People often attempt to give human traditions higher authority than God's Word. This was true of the Jews of Jesus' day. The Catholics here who claim their Magisterium has an equal or higher authority then Gods Word, are wrong. In refuting the errors of the Sadducees, the Scripture records the Lord saying, [size=4]"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29). [/size]
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But we do know the scriptures, and the power of God, and if your not supposed to take anything out, nor add to the bible then, why is it ok for you to use a copy of the canon used by Martin Luther which took out seven whole books and part of Daniel?

[Aloysius]

because it didn't have an arbitrary, complex, and hidden mathematical code which would have authenticated it.

can you get like...a UPC scanner that can scan pages of books to tell you if God inspired them or not?

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073962' date='Sep 24 2006, 04:29 PM']
In the very last commandment in the Bible God tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.



People often attempt to give human traditions higher authority than God's Word. This was true of the Jews of Jesus' day. The Catholics here who claim their Magisterium has an equal or higher authority then Gods Word, are wrong. In refuting the errors of the Sadducees, the Scripture records the Lord saying, [size=4]"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29). [/size]
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Don't the Preachers, the tape & CD sellers, the book peddlers all do the same thing? I do have to admit, the $1,800 suit is much more contemporary than the 'frilly' surplice.
A Sadducee is a Sadducee, whether they're dressed in a frilly vestment or expensive suit.
I've asked you specific questions that illuminates your hypocrasy, Budge. The only defense you have is that you have different human opinion of which 'human athority' you want to give creedence to. You've done a good job ripping apart the Catholic human athority. But you and Eutychus have been very hypocritical in an honest evaluation of whatever church leaders, preaching teachers, or humans you both listen too.

Speaking of adding or subtracting from Scripture, you still haven't addressed the challenge of how you elevate the 'King James' human version of Scripture whence entire books and chapters had been removed.

Speak about revisionism by humans. You're just another ridiculous denominationalist with a different set of new "human traditions". You even stumble in the face of clear contraditiction. Read the scripture you highlighted above. You are a fool if you don't recognize scripture AND the power of God. You foolishly deny the power of God via the Holy Spirit in others. You foolishly choose to acknowledge the Holy Spirit only if it aligns with your sole prideful 'personal interpretation'.

Edited September 25, 2006 by Anomaly