United Nations-vatican Joined At The Hip

[Winchester]

The political powers in the Vatican have often made errors in regards to aliiances.

That's changed no dogma.

This thread is pointless.

I'd put Jack Chick and the UN in the same category.

[goldenchild17]

Budge and Ferrara and I agree on something? Now that's an odd threesome...

[Budge]

Trads have the interfaith piece of the puzzle figured out but without dependence on Gods Word, and oddly in a religion that teaches you to follow men you KNOW are heretics, you folks are going to end up very lost and confused.

I thank God daily that I was born again, and came to know Jesus Christ personally, I could have ended up in the maze known as traditionalist Catholicism where people sadly follow leaders THEY KNOW ARE HERETICS.

Jesus warned of wolves in sheeps clothing for a reason, he didnt say follow them.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1075648' date='Sep 26 2006, 01:48 PM']
I thank God daily that I was born again, and came to know Jesus Christ personally, I could have ended up in the maze known as traditionalist Catholicism where people sadly follow leaders THEY KNOW ARE HERETICS.
[/quote]
Wow, so I'm not the only one, huh? Good to know.

[Winchester]

I follow exactly what Jesus told the Jews to do in such cases. Find it yourself.

[Lil Red]

[u][b]TO BUDGE:[/b][/u]

dUSt (the webmaster and the guy who pays for your ability to post foolishness) has asked you not to use huge font sizes. please respect his request.

use the [b]bold feature[/b], the[u] underline feature[/u], the [i]italics feature[/i] or the [color="#FF0000"]colors feature. [/color] or[b][i] [u][color="red"]heck, all four![/b][/u][/color][/i]

Edited September 26, 2006 by Lil Red

[Budge]

[quote]Unconcerned about the overwhelming evidence of the U.N.’s evil agenda — which even concerned Protestant commentators have remarked over and over again — the Vatican’s former observer to the United Nations[b],[size=2] Archbishop Renato Martino, at a recent conference in New York City to commemorate the 40th anniversary of John XXIII’s encyclical Pacem in terris, argued "that the U.N. should have greater power.[/size]"[/b] (CWNews, October 1[/quote]

[Steve in Vista]

[quote name='Budge' post='1073660' date='Sep 24 2006, 08:12 AM']
These plans are being put into play of course now, this is acouple years old, but continuing as always...
There it is all condensed into one sentence, the large one in bold above......

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"the U.N. can always count on the Holy See to be not only an attentive permanent observer, but also a traveling companion.."[/b]

"Fellow Traveller" with the ONE WORLD GOVT organization working hard to be the Universal end times Revelation 17 church, united with the globalists and one world government, which is warned of in Revelation.
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Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.[/font]

"Let those with eyes see and ears hear"

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ST. AUGUSTINE, THE CITY OF GOD





BOOK VIII.



CHAP. 24.—IDOLS ARE THE MEANS BY WHICH DEMONS ENSNARE MEN TO DAMNATION…For although man made gods, it did not follow that he who made them was not held captive by them, when, by worshipping them, he was drawn into fellowship with them,--into the fellowship not of stolid idols, but of cunning demons; for what are idols but what they are represented to be in the same Scriptures, "They have eyes, but they do not see,"(2) and, though artistically fashioned, are still without life and sensation? But unclean spirits, associated through that wicked art with these same idols, have miserably taken captive the souls of their worshippers, by bringing them down into fellowship with themselves. Whence the apostle says, "We know that an idol is nothing, but those things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I would not ye should have fellowship with demons."(3) …"Sing unto the Lord a new song; sing unto the Lord, all the earth. Sing unto the Lord, bless His name; declare well His salvation from day to day. Declare His glory among the nations, among all people His wonderful things. For great is the Lord, and much to be praised: He is terrible above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols of demons: but the Lord made the heavens."(4)

… a time was coming when the worship of idols should be abolished, and the domination of the demons over those who worshipped them (by Jesus Christ condemning and defeating paganism)





BOOK XIII



CHAP. 5.--For then death was incurred by sinning, now righteousness is fulfilled by dying. In the case of the holy martyrs it is so; for to them the persecutor proposes the alternative, apostasy or death. For the righteous prefer by believing to suffer what the first transgressors suffered by not believing. For unless they had sinned, they would not have died; but the martyrs sin if they do not die. The one died because they sinned, the others do not sin because they die. By the guilt of the first, punishment was incurred; by the punishment of the second, guilt is prevented. Not that death, which was before an evil, has become something good, but only that God has granted to faith this grace, that death, which is the admitted opposite to life, should become the instrument by which life is reached.





BOOK XIX

CHAP. 21. …For if they assert that in their republic the Romans did not serve unclean spirits, but good and holy gods, must we therefore again reply to this evasion, though already we have said enough, and more than enough, to expose it? He must be an uncommonly stupid, or a shamelessly contentious person, who has read through the foregoing books to this point, and can yet question whether the Romans (or any other pagans as Augustine makes the point time and again) served wicked and impure demons. But, not to speak of their character, it is written in the law of the true God, "He that sacrificeth unto any god save unto the Lord only, be shall be utterly destroyed."{Augustine’s quote from Ex:22:20:

20 He that sacrificeth to gods, shall be put to death, save only to the Lord. (DRV) which St. Augustine quotes many times to drive the point home.} The dreadful sanction of this command makes it clear that God wanted no sacrifices offered to such gods, good or evil. (As St. Augustine states repeatedly elswhere, all the other gods are, in reality, evil.)



CHAP. 22.--WHETHER THE GOD WHOM THE CHRISTIANS SERVE IS THE TRUE GOD TO WHOM ALONE SACRIFICE OUGHT TO BE PAID.


But it may be replied, Who is this God, or what proof is there that He alone is worthy to receive sacrifice from theRomans? One must be very blind to be still asking who this God is. He is the God whose prophets predicted the things we see accomplished. He is the God from whom Abraham received the assurance, "In thy seed shall all nations be blessed."(2)That this was fulfilled in Christ, who according to the flesh sprang from that seed, is recognized, … He is the God whose divine Spirit spake by the men whose predictions I cited in the preceding books, and which are fulfilled in the Church which has extended over all the world.

….



CHAP. 23.--PORPHYRY'S ACCOUNT OF THE RESPONSES GIVEN BY THE ORACLES OF THE GODS CONCERNING CHRIST.
…

In this oracle of his god Apollo, Porphyry avowed that the God of the Hebrews is so great that the deities themselves are afraid before Him. I am surprised, therefore, that when God said, He that sacrificeth to other gods shall be utterly destroyed, Porphyry himself was not afraid lest he should be destroyed for sacrificing to other gods. (which false sacrifice Porphyry did offer and caused others to do)
This philosopher, however, has also some (pretended) good to say of Christ, oblivious, as it were, of that contumely (slanderous lies) of his of which we have just been speaking; or as if his gods spoke evil of Christ only while asleep, and recognized Him to be good, and gave Him His deserved praise, when they awoke. For, as if he were about to proclaim some marvellous thing passing belief, he says, "What we are going to say will certainly take some by surprise. For the gods have declared that Christ was very pious, and has become immortal, and that they cherish his memory: that the Christians, however, are polluted, contaminated, and involved in error. And many other such things," he says, "do the gods say against the Christians."



St. Augustine in the rest of this chapter goes on to relate how Porphyry then claims that one of pagan goddesses, Hecate, the underworld three headed goddess of black magic whose animal familiar was a dog, claimed that Jesus Christ was not resurrected in the flesh but only spiritually and was only a good man and not God. St. Augustine absolutely condemns this as diabolic lies by enemies of Christians.





BOOK XX.



CHAP. 19.--WHAT THE APOSTLE PAUL WROTE TO THE THESSALONIANS ABOUT THE MANIFESTATION OF ANTICHRIST AS THE TEMPLE OF GOD, THE FALSE CHURCH, WHICH SHALL PRECEDE THE DAY OF THE LORD.

I see that I must omit many of the statements of the gospels and epistles about this last judgment, that this volume may not become unduly long; but I can on no account omit what the Apostle Paul says, in writing to the Thessalonians, "We beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,"(2) etc.
No one can doubt that he wrote this of Antichrist and of the day of judgment, which he here calls the day of the Lord, nor that he declared that this day should not come unless he first came who is called the apostate --apostate, to wit, from the Lord God. And if this may justly be said of all the ungodly, how much more of him? But it is uncertain in what temple he shall sit, whether in that ruin of the temple which was built by Solomon, or in the Church; for the apostle would not call the temple of any idol or demon the temple of God. And on this account some think that in this passage Antichrist means not the prince himself alone, but his whole body, that is, the mass of men who adhere to him, along with him their prince; and they also think that we should render the Greek more exactly were we to read, not "in the temple of God," but "for" or "as the temple of God," as if he himself were the temple of God, the Church.(3) Then as for the words, "And now ye know what withholdeth," i.e., ye know what hindrance or cause of delay there is, "that he might be revealed in his own time;" …(St. Justin Martyr says this is Jesus Christ Himself Who “withholdeth”)…"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now holdeth, let him hold until he be taken out of the way: and then shall the wicked be revealed?" … That which there is no doubt he said is this, that Christ will not come to judge the quick and dead unless Antichrist, His adversary, first come to seduce those who are dead in soul; although their seduction is a result of God's secret judgment already passed. For, as it is said "his presence shall be after the working of Satan, with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, and with all seduction of unrighteousness in them that perish." For then shall Satan be loosed, and by means of that Antichrist shall work with all power in a lying though a wonderful manner. …they shall be such signs and wonders as shall seduce those who shall deserve to be seduced, "because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved." Neither did the apostle hesitate to go on to say, "For this cause God shall send upon them the working of error that they should believe a lie." For God shall send, because God shall permit the devil to do these things, the permission being by His own just judgment, though the doing of them is in pursuance of the devil's unrighteous and malignant purpose, "that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." Therefore, being judged, they shall be seduced, and, being seduced, they shall be judged. But, being judged, they shall be seduced by those secretly just and justly secret judgments of God, with which He has never ceased to judge since the first sin of the rational creatures; and, being seduced, they shall be judged in that last and manifest judgment administered by Jesus Christ, who was Himself most unjustly judged and shall most justly judge.

[Budge]

So does this mean youre against the Vatican kissy-face with the UN Steve?

[Steve in Vista]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076619' date='Sep 27 2006, 10:10 AM']
So does this mean youre against the Vatican kissy-face with the UN Steve?
[/quote]

Number one, you don't have to use that kind of language. Formal language is much more effective. I am for Jesus Christ. I reject the non-sense that comes down the pike from time to time almost always in a political context to be sure. Go back to the reformation and you will find that with certain exceptions (such as pacifist ana-Baptists, not all of them were, I am refering to those that were sick to death of the killing), most of the motivation such as that of the Lutheran Princes was greed, money, lands and more greed. However, the same is true of Cardinal Richelieu and Cardinal Mazarin and Louis the Sun King of France heir to those two most infamous prelates' machinations. The same is also true today of the Christian Dispensationalist Zionist docetic gnostic apostasy from Christ and their support of anything the war monger Bush does. Do you oppose the brutal murders and pillage of the Palestinian Catholic and Orthodox Church members by Israel since 1948 until the present? Christian Dispensationalist Zionists glory in it thinking they have happened onto a timeline THAT JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF SAID NO MAN KNOWS. The reason they do that is to trap the unwary and tell them to send their "love donations" in paranoid fear and greed to some evil false prophet like Benny Hinn or Paul Crouch. Statements many times by some Catholics may even be flawed. But the motivation is to seek relief for the exact people that Jesus said to help! The folks that fit most exactly to what St. Augustine was speaking about as Antichrist pretend Christians, are the Christian Dispensationalist Zionists. My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ said:

Mt:25:
1 ¶ Then shall the kingdom of heaven be like to ten virgins, who taking their lamps went out to meet the bridegroom and the bride.
2 And five of them were foolish and five wise.
3 But the five foolish, having taken their lamps, did not take oil with them.
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with the lamps.
5 And the bridegroom tarrying, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made: Behold the bridegroom cometh. Go ye forth to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said to the wise: Give us of your oil, for our lamps are gone out.
9 The wise answered, saying: Lest perhaps there be not enough for us and for you, go ye rather to them that sell and buy for yourselves.
10 Now whilst they went to buy the bridegroom came: and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage. And the door was shut.
11 But at last came also the other virgins, saying: Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answering said: Amen I say to you, I know you not.
13 Watch ye therefore, because you know not the day nor the hour.
14 ¶ For even as a man going into a far country called his servants and delivered to them his goods;
15 And to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to every one according to his proper ability: and immediately he took his journey.
16 And he that had received the five talents went his way and traded with the same and gained other five.
17 And in like manner he that had received the two gained other two.
18 But he that had received the one, going his way, digged into the earth and hid his lord's money.
19 But after a long time the lord of those servants came and reckoned with them.
20 And he that had received the five talents coming, brought other five talents, saying: Lord, thou didst deliver to me five talents. Behold I have gained other five over and above.
21 His lord said to him: Well done, good and faithful servant, because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things. Enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 And he also that had received the two talents came and said: Lord, thou deliveredst two talents to me. Behold I have gained other two.
23 His lord said to him: Well done, good and faithful servant: because thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will place thee over many things. Enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 But he that had received the one talent, came and said: Lord, I know that thou art a hard man; thou reapest where thou hast not sown and gatherest where thou hast not strewed.
25 And being afraid, I went and hid thy talent in the earth. Behold here thou hast that which is thine.
26 And his lord answering, said to him: Wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sow not and gather where I have not strewed.
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have committed my money to the bankers: and at my coming I should have received my own with usury.
28 Take ye away therefore the talent from him and give it him that hath ten talents.
29 For to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: but from him that hath not, that also which he seemeth to have shall be taken away.
30 And the unprofitable servant, cast ye out into the exterior darkness. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
31 ¶ And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.
32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:
33 [b] [u][color="#FF0000"]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in:
36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.
37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry and fed thee: thirsty and gave thee drink?
38 Or when did we see thee a stranger and took thee in? Or naked and covered thee?
39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison and came to thee?
40 And the king answering shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty and you gave me not to drink.
43 I was a stranger and you took me not in: naked and you covered me not: sick and in prison and you did not visit me.
44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to thee?
45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen: I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting[/color].[/u][/b](DRV)

Psalm 1:1 Beatus vir qui non abiit in consilio impiorum... Blessed is that man who doesn't walk in the counsel of the impious

[Budge]

If you really believe the UN supports helping the poor, like Jesus taught, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Sudan ring a bell?
[quote]

Number one, you don't have to use that kind of language. Formal language is much more effective. [/quote]

Formal language? kissy-face is not a curse word it is a descripter. My posts are readable to anyone not just those with years of theological graduate study who speak in Vaticanese.

You wont find me defending the evils of Protestantism, some of whom followed too much of what they had learned from the Catholic church...{Calvin putting people to the stake etc} nor the false prophets of TBN or Word of Faithers.

[quote]Dispensationalist Zionist docetic gnostic apostasy from Christ and their support of anything the war monger Bush does[/quote]

I do not support the Bush administration, nor the NWO induced wars of civilization. Go to my message board, I have some of my political opinons right there.
This may bring your stereotype of what Bible Christians believe into question.

It does look like youve bought into the blame it on the JEWS mentality. Yes there are Jews who are working on behalf of the NWO, but certainly not all. Whoever curses the Jews, well, the Bible says what happens to them....

.[quote] Do you oppose the brutal murders and pillage of the Palestinian Catholic and Orthodox Church members by Israel since 1948 until the present?[/quote]

Should we discuss Croatia and what happened to the poor Orthodox folks at the hands of Rome?

[quote]
Christian Dispensationalist Zionists glory in it thinking they have happened onto a timeline THAT JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF SAID NO MAN KNOWS.[/quote]

I am not a date-setter. However only those who are sleeping cant see that the one world religion is now being formed and world government is on the rise and the antichrist teachings have taken over the world.

I post actively against Benny Hinn and the false teachings of Paul Crouch elsewhere, Paul Crouch is a Catholic ecumenist and another false teacher.

Unlike Catholics here, I dont have to excuse and defend the wolves in sheeps clothing.

Oh and you never answered my question, do you support the relationship between the Vatican and the United Nations?

YES...

or NO?

Edited September 27, 2006 by Budge

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076731' date='Sep 27 2006, 03:32 PM']
If you really believe the UN supports helping the poor, like Jesus taught, I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Sudan ring a bell?
Formal language? kissy-face is not a curse word it is a descripter. My posts are readable to anyone not just those with years of theological graduate study who speak in Vaticanese.[/quote]

Awww, Budge, I'm flattered. You accuse me of Vaticanese all the time and I'm only in undergraduate studies. Thanks.

[quote]I am not a date-setter. However only those who are sleeping cant see that the one world religion is now being formed and world government is on the rise and the antichrist teachings have taken over the world.[/quote]

Satan is always at work setting up for the endtimes. That's why people always think it's in their own time.

There is no "one world religion," Budge. There have been poorly reported news stories and lots of conspiracy theorists.

[Budge]

[quote]There is no "one world religion," Budge. There have been poorly reported news stories and lots of conspiracy theorists.[/quote]
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Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.[/size][/b]

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[img]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0826406408.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.gif[/img][img]http://www.whoistheantichrist.org/graphics/one-world-reg2.jpg[/img]

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[Steve in Vista]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076731' date='Sep 27 2006, 12:32 PM']

It does look like youve bought into the blame it on the JEWS mentality. Yes there are Jews who are working on behalf of the NWO, but certainly not all. Whoever curses the Jews, well, the Bible says what happens to them....


[/quote]

That right there is a Zionist rascist statement absolutely unsupported by Jesus Christ and in fact condemned by Him.

I knew you were a crypto Judeo Masonic false-Christian Zionist.

Jesus said to the Jews:

John:8:
38 ¶ I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said to him: Abraham is our father. Jesus saith them: If you be the children of Abraham, do the works of Abraham.
40 But now you seek to kill me, a man who have spoken the truth to you, which I have heard of God. This Abraham did not.
41 You do the works of your father. They said therefore to him: We are not born of fornication: we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded and came. For I came not of myself: but he sent me.
43 Why do you not know my speech? Because you cannot hear my word.
44 [b] [u]You are of your father the devil: and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning: and he stood not in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.[/u][/b]
45 But if I say the truth, you believe me not.
46 ¶ Which of you shall convince me of sin? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me:
47 He that is of God heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because you are not of God.
48 The Jews therefore answered and said to him: Do not we say well that thou art a Samaritan and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered: I have not a devil: but I honour my Father. And you have dishonoured me.
...
58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham was made, I AM.

Mt:23:
23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint and anise and cummin and have left the weightier things of the law: judgment and mercy and faith. These things you ought to have done and not to leave those undone.
24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel.
25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean.
27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful but within are full of dead men's bones and of all filthiness.
28 So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just: but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, that build the sepulchres of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the just,
30 And say: If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 [b][u]You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?[/u][/b]
34 ¶ Therefore behold I send to you prophets and wise men and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify: and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city.
35 [b][u]That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.[/u][/b]


Psalm 1:1 Beatus vir qui non abiit in consilio impiorum... Blessed is that man who doesn't walk in the counsel of the impious





[quote name='Raphael' post='1076751' date='Sep 27 2006, 01:06 PM']
...
There is no "one world religion," Budge. There have been poorly reported news stories and lots of conspiracy theorists.
[/quote]


Actually Raphael, there is in a sense, historically, an incipient one world religion, which is Babylonian Cabala and it's derivative Jewish Talmudic Zionist Cabala. It is the one world religion in this sense, 6,000 years ago (Septuagint dating on the age of the world) post flood, the continuing of the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the pagan world is this exactly. It will be the final assault on the Church is the consensus of Traditional Catholic theologians in it's Jewish Zionist form. But we do not set dates, and we certainly don't hope for this abomination to come to pass.

Psalm 1:1 Beatus vir qui non abiit in consilio impiorum... Blessed is that man who doesn't walk in the counsel of the impious

[Budge]

[quote]

That right there is a Zionist rascist statement absolutely unsupported by Jesus Christ and in fact condemned by Him.

I knew you were a crypto Judeo Masonic false-Christian Zionist.[/quote]

And youre the member of a church now led by crypto Freemasons and Theosophists?

I am not a Mason, but anyone who follows the antichrist interfaith NWO propogated by your Popes, is one in spirit.

[url="http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/01/pope.ny.ap/"]POPE CALLS FOR NEW WORLD ORDER[/url]

By the way Ive encountered plenty of anti-semitic, blame it on the Jews--Catholics before, it seems to be a disease of sorts that has a heavy strain in Traditionalist Catholicism.

{by the way I am not a neo-con or a Dominionist} I do believe Israel is God's land but this does not mean I support everything the state of Israel does. I do not even want to get into the topic of spiritual Israel with an unsaved Catholic because it is something that will go WHOOSH right over your head.

By the way if we are going to talk of BABYLON, its your church with the pagan sun dial, and phallic 'pillar of jealousy" right in the middle of its headquarters.

Want to go head to head comparing Kabalistic tendencies? I admit they occur in Talmudic Judaism, but your church leads the pack.....

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076981' date='Sep 27 2006, 07:51 PM']
And youre the member of a church now led by crypto Freemasons and Theosophists?

I am not a Mason, but anyone who follows the antichrist interfaith NWO propogated by your Popes, is one in spirit.

[url="http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/01/pope.ny.ap/"]POPE CALLS FOR NEW WORLD ORDER[/url]
[/quote]
So the pope called for a new organization of some sort to promote peace...what are you upset about?

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076981' date='Sep 27 2006, 05:51 PM']
By the way if we are going to talk of BABYLON, its your church with the pagan sun dial, and phallic 'pillar of jealousy" right in the middle of its headquarters.
[/quote]
"Pagan sun dials" - the horror! the horror!

"Phallic" pillars! - I can see where somebody's mind is!

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Budge' post='1076981' date='Sep 27 2006, 05:51 PM']
I do not even want to get into the topic of spiritual Israel with an unsaved Catholic because it is something that will go WHOOSH right over your head. [/quote]

[color="#FF0000"]I am[/color] a [color="#FF0000"]saved[/color] Catholic I am ready and have been waiting to have this debate, if it tries to go whoosh over my head, I'll throw it to the ground and step on its neck. The harlot of Babylon is referred to as the "great city," in 17:18 and in in chapter 18. Knowing that, let's turn to Apoc 11:9 "their dead bodies will lie in the street of the GREAT CITY which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified." Where was The Lord crucified? That same city is according to the bible is bablyon.

[quote name='Budge' post='1076981' date='Sep 27 2006, 05:51 PM']
By the way if we are going to talk of BABYLON, its your church with the pagan sun dial, and phallic 'pillar of jealousy" right in the middle of its headquarters.[/quote]

Woo we got a middle age clock to tell the time, sorry timex was not avalabile when we built the vatican. You do know your hand watch or wall clock is just a updated verison of the sun dial, which by your logic would make you a new age pagan.

[Budge]

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So the pope called for a new organization of some sort to promote peace...what are you upset about?[/quote]

Google New World Order, your Popes are paired with the global elites that desire one world government.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='Budge' post='1078012' date='Sep 28 2006, 11:17 AM']
Google New World Order, your Popes are paired with the global elites that desire one world government.
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Hmmm...So Peter is paired with Bill Gates, Benidict X is paired with Warren Buffet, etc.?