So How's The Pope Doing?

[Resurrexi]

Yeah, I'm kind of irritated that the venacular in the Mass hasn't been outlawed or at least made a special indult only granted to like one parish per diocese yet...

[goldenchild17]

His leadership's been fairly equal to what I expected. I was excited when he was elected over some of the other nominees. But back at the time I was actually hoping Arinze would get it.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1079397' date='Sep 29 2006, 03:58 PM']
Yeah, I'm kind of irritated that the venacular in the Mass hasn't been outlawed or at least made a special indult only granted to like one parish per diocese yet...
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Well, I wouldn't hold my breath on that if I were you...

[Resurrexi]

[quote]But back at the time I was actually hoping Arinze would get it.[/quote]

I think it'd be kind of cool if Cardinal Arinze became pope after BXVI.

[PadrePioOfPietrelcino]

I think we need to realize that from our own points of view, we might see needs for changes, and we could say "the problem with the mass is that's its not in Latin, or the problem with the mass is the guitars, or the problem with the mass is that cantor, man she's horrible, or the problem with the mass is there is no coffee afterwards, or the problem with the mass is girl servers, or the problem with the mass is..." My point is that there are so many things which need attention that the Pope guided by the Holy Spirit must work in accordance to what he sees in the Church. He is the Pope and what we see as needing to be fixed first, may not be what needs to be fixed first.

*clink, clink* 2 cents

[stbernardLT]

How about this. Maybe he hasn't changed the things mentioned in this thread because, they are not abuses. The Venacular is not an abuse, and adaptations were made to the GIRM by the US Bishops to allow string instruments and percussion in the US (I know Cam will fight me till the death about this). I think he is continuing the great work started by JPII.

[Resurrexi]

I don't think the USCCB had authority to change the GIRM, so therefore, string instruments and percussion are litrugically abusive at mass, and therefore, it is mortally sinful to have percussion or string instruments at Mass.

[Budge]

[quote] Christ and the Pope Contrasted



Christ wore a crown of thorns. (Matthew 27:29) "Among (the pope's) insignia (is) .. the triple crown." (Externals of Catholic Church, Msgr. John O'Sullivan, p.9)

Christ said, "My Kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36) The Pope is "Sovereign of the State of Vatican City" and "a temporal monarch." (Ibid., p.9)

Christ washed His disciples' feet, this manifesting a spirit of humility worthy of emulation by His followers. (John 13:5) For centuries, the Pope presented his foot to be kissed. (Catholic Dictionary of Theology, Volume III, p. 178)

Christ gave His Gospel free to all. (Matthew 8:10) The Pope authorizes stipends {a fixed sum of money} for Masses. (Priest Conway, The Question Box)

Christ said, "Call no man upon earth your father." (Matthew 23:9) "The Pope is usually mentioned as `Our Holy Father'". (Externals of Catholic Church, p.9)

Christ authorized the Holy Spirit as His Vicar on earth. (John 14:26) According the Catholic Alamanac, p. 145 "Christ chose St Peter to be .. his vicar on earth .. These powers were passed to his successors."

Christ is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18) }According to the Catholic Almanac} "St. Peter, .. the head of the church ... these prerogatives passed to his successors."

Christ claims infallibility for Himself and the Word of God alone. (Matthew 24:35) "The successor of Peter .. is infallible in matters of faith and morals." (Externals of Catholic Church, O'Sullivan, p.5)

Christ taught that sin should be confessed to God. (1 John 1:9) "Sacramental confession is the act by which a person accuses himself of his sins to a priest." (Catholic Alamac, p. 279)

Christ taught His followers to pray to God through Him. (John 16:23) The Pope teaches his followers to pray to Mary. "We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus." (Glories of Mary, Liguori, p. 254)

Christ is the one mediator between God and man. (1 Timothy 2:5) "We can honor the saints by praying to them." (St. Joseph's Catechism, p. 113)

Christ taught that salvation was by grace. (John 3:16) The Pope teaches salvation by works. "We sin by presumption when we trust that we can be saved by God alone without our own efforts." (St Peter's Catechism, p.33)

Christ was poor and lowly. (Matthew 22:19, Matthew 11:29) The material wealth of the Vatican, over which the Pope absolute monarch, is immense.

Christ has no place to lay His head. (Matthew 8:20) The Pope lives in a magnificent palace surrounded by wealth and pomp. (Excerpts from pamphlet written by Wendell Holmes Rone, adapted by Bill Jackson)
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[avemaria40]

I think the Pope is doing an awesome job, especially emphasizing the importance of love and family in a world where they seem to have been forgotten. And as for the Mass changes, though I would like to see a more reverent Mass, I think the Pope has more pressing issues to worry about than whether a Mass has guitars or not.

Personally, I think that a Mass in Latin w/either Gregorian Chant or classical music and a Mass that is loud with guitars and percussion can be equally reverent as long as they are done correctly. I went to Mass at Franciscan when I visited and they had guitars and more contemporary music and it was beautifully done. The joy of the people was abundant and you could tell everyone really believed it, they weren't just going through the motions like many do at so many Catholic parishes I've been to.

OK, done with the hijack, just felt I had to say that part (about Mass music)

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1080678' date='Oct 1 2006, 12:36 PM']
I don't think the USCCB had authority to change the GIRM, so therefore, string instruments and percussion are litrugically abusive at mass, and therefore, it is mortally sinful to have percussion or string instruments at Mass.
[/quote]
You have no proof, so stop with the accusations already.

[Resurrexi]

The USCCB isnt the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, therefore, they don't have the authority to change the GIRM.

[homeschoolmom]

How do you know what authority has or has not been given to the USCCB?

[Resurrexi]

How do [i]you?[/i]

Edited October 1, 2006 by StThomasMore

[Anomaly]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1080678' date='Oct 1 2006, 10:36 AM']
I don't think the USCCB had authority to change the GIRM, so therefore, string instruments and percussion are litrugically abusive at mass, and therefore, it is mortally sinful to have percussion or string instruments at Mass.
[/quote]
If you're right, then it sounds like it's better to avoid mass than to participate in the USCCB's mortal sin.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='PadrePioOfPietrelcino' post='1080512' date='Oct 1 2006, 01:06 AM']
I think we need to realize that from our own points of view, we might see needs for changes, and we could say "the problem with the mass is that's its not in Latin, or the problem with the mass is the guitars, or the problem with the mass is that cantor, man she's horrible, or the problem with the mass is there is no coffee afterwards, or the problem with the mass is girl servers, or the problem with the mass is..." My point is that there are so many things which need attention that the Pope guided by the Holy Spirit must work in accordance to what he sees in the Church. He is the Pope and what we see as needing to be fixed first, may not be what needs to be fixed first.

*clink, clink* 2 cents
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To add on to that, some of this is the responsibility of the bishops and individual priests. The Pope does not have some sort of magic ability to know what is going on everywhere all the time.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1080841' date='Oct 1 2006, 02:13 PM']
How do you know what authority has or has not been given to the USCCB?
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[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1080877' date='Oct 1 2006, 02:51 PM']
How do [i]you?[/i]
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I did not claim to have such knowledge. I just suggested that you don't either.

[kateri05]

[quote name='Budge' post='1080700' date='Oct 1 2006, 10:11 AM']

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can we just discuss how flippin sweet this papal tiera is?

how appropriate that earthly vicar of christ, who is of course the king of kings, lord of lords and Prince of the Heavenly Host, wears a crown in honor of the true Head of the Body of Christ

yay popes


/end hijack

and i think Pope Benedict has certainly proceeded under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and since He blows where He will, it is only appropriate that stuff everyone "thought" would happen has not since mere humans cannot comprehend the infinite wisdom of God.

and the entire summation of the problems of modern society are explained and solved in Deus Caritas Est. remember, "in the end, only one thing remains...."

[Budge]

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how appropriate that earthly vicar of christ, who is of course the king of kings, lord of lords and Prince of the Heavenly Host, wears a crown in honor of the true Head of the Body of Christ saint.gif

yay popes happy.gif[/quote]

Kind of deviates from the supposed first 'Pope"

"Silver and gold, I have none"

[Resurrexi]

[quote]I did not claim to have such knowledge. I just suggested that you don't either.[/quote]

OK, well it's my opinion that they don't.

[Guest Rick777]

[quote name='Budge' post='1081070' date='Oct 1 2006, 05:51 PM']
Kind of deviates from the supposed first 'Pope"

"Silver and gold, I have none"
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Whats supposed about him? Oh thats right...your a heretic.