Assistant Suicide

[Emotion]

I want to know the resons why people believe in this. Or if there is somebody on here who believes in it I was wandering if we could have a private conversation about it on AIM or MSN?

[goldenchild17]

Not sure you're going to find too many people on here that believe this is okay. But then again, I've been surprised before .

[Anomaly]

I don't want my Assistant to commit suicide and I wouldn't appriciate anybody assiting them either.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1079588' date='Sep 29 2006, 05:45 PM']
I don't want my Assistant to commit suicide and I wouldn't appriciate anybody assiting them either.
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[Catherine]

If there is anybody who believes in it I would be interested in talking to him or her and finding out why as well. Actually, if anybody here believes in suicide in any form being ok I would love to have a conversation. Just pm me and I'll figure out how we can have the conversation.

[desertwoman]

personaly. I see it as mercy. If i'm suffering and there is no hope, please have mercy upon me and kill me.... please.

Like if i'm engulfed in flames, you have a gun. Shot me please! Don't allow me to suffer a fate like that. Please!

[Resurrexi]

Vox Clamantis in Deserto....
I love that saying....

But I think the voice of one crying out in the desert would be saying not to comitt suicide.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1080439' date='Sep 30 2006, 10:42 PM']
personaly. I see it as mercy. If i'm suffering and there is no hope, please have mercy upon me and kill me.... please.

Like if i'm engulfed in flames, you have a gun. Shot me please! Don't allow me to suffer a fate like that. Please!
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I'm certain you'd prefer the flames of this world to the flames of the next.

Assuming the other requirements for mortal sin, asking for euthanasia will most certainly get you the flames of the next.

No one may take the life of another...for any reason. There is no mercy in it at all. It is merciful to allow you to die the way God has planned, since following His plan will lead you most surely to heaven.

We can ease the pain, though.

[Aloysius]

suffering is good, it has a point, and to desire to avoid it by ending one's life is sinful. such a person will assuredly, whether they go to heaven or hell, receive at least as much suffering upon their death than they would have gone through if they stayed alive. suffering has meaning, purpose, it strengthens and perfects us.

[CrossCuT]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1080439' date='Sep 30 2006, 09:42 PM']
personaly. I see it as mercy. If i'm suffering and there is no hope, please have mercy upon me and kill me.... please.

Like if i'm engulfed in flames, you have a gun. Shot me please! Don't allow me to suffer a fate like that. Please!
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[size=1]Nobody is better off dead.
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[Era Might]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1080597' date='Oct 1 2006, 03:17 AM']suffering is good, it has a point, and to desire to avoid it by ending one's life is sinful. such a person will assuredly, whether they go to heaven or hell, receive at least as much suffering upon their death than they would have gone through if they stayed alive. suffering has meaning, purpose, it strengthens and perfects us.[/quote]
Your absolutely right, just to clarify one point, suffering has meaning, but strictly speaking, suffering is not "good". Suffering is a great natural evil. But, in the sense you mean, suffering is "good" not in itself, but because it is an opportunity for sacrifical love.

[desertwoman]

I just couldnt do it man. Look at the situation at the WTC. IF the people stayed in the flames willingly, then that would be suicide. If they jumped, then that would be suicide. Personaly, I would just jump and have my family be able to bury me instead of my body being ashes. Both would be suicide.

[Resurrexi]

I should start a poll about that.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1080873' date='Oct 1 2006, 02:48 PM']
I just couldnt do it man. Look at the situation at the WTC. IF the people stayed in the flames willingly, then that would be suicide. If they jumped, then that would be suicide. Personaly, I would just jump and have my family be able to bury me instead of my body being ashes. Both would be suicide.
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Considering the towers collapsed, I don't think that your family would have been able to bury you very easily, either way.



There is grace that comes with suffering. As my parents tell us whenever we complain about something "Offer it up." And, while I've never been severly burned or something like that, any time I am in sever pain or under sever stress, I have discovered that it definitely brings me closer to God, because I know that He's the only one who can take the pain from me (which isn't to say that He wants me to suffer or anything of that sort) or give me the strength to get through it.

Edited October 1, 2006 by MissScripture

[desertwoman]

I'm talking about, there is no way out. Like worse case scenario ie WTC. I"m going to die anyway, you know it, I know it, so why not show me mercy and put me out of my misery? Don't watch me agnoize and writh in pain, do something! Show some kind of mercy to me, and put me out of my misery.

Edited October 2, 2006 by desertwoman

[CrossCuT]

[size=1]NO ONE IS BETTER OFF DEAD!
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[Anomaly]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1081269' date='Oct 1 2006, 08:55 PM']
I'm talking about, there is no way out. Like worse case scenario ie WTC. I"m going to die anyway, you know it, I know it, so why not show me mercy and put me out of my misery? Don't watch me agnoize and writh in pain, do something! Show some kind of mercy to me, and put me out of my misery.
[/quote]In the case of the WTC, after the initial burns, your nerves go dead. This I have been told by a girl who had 2nd & 3rd degree burns over 80% of her body. It was the recovery that was painful. Now she was burned in a tent, I don't know about being in a building, but I have heard, people pass out or die from aphyxiation first.

Another scenario would be dying from a disease in extreme pain with extreme longterm illness wich can affect the mind. Even then, there are moments of lucidity that provide opportunity for people to talk, share, forgive, and apologize.

Not in either case would I 'put you out of your misery', though I would attempt to give as much comfort as possible to lessen your agony and suffering.

[Era Might]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1081269' date='Oct 1 2006, 09:55 PM']I'm talking about, there is no way out. Like worse case scenario ie WTC. I"m going to die anyway, you know it, I know it, so why not show me mercy and put me out of my misery? Don't watch me agnoize and writh in pain, do something! Show some kind of mercy to me, and put me out of my misery.[/quote]
The problem with that is, it's relative. What about all those people in the slums of Calcutta that Mother Teresa went to help? She told a story once about finding a woman in the gutter who was being eaten by rats. These people will eventually die in agonizing poverty. Some would say that we should put them out of their misery and kill them. What about the mentally ill and other unstable people on the street who can't get their lives together no matter how many times they've tried? If we go down that path, they'll be put out of their misery before long. And when the real "undesirables" are finished off, they'll turn on healthy people who aren't deemed genetically pure.

St. John the Apostle was boiled alive in oil. Thankfully, there was no one there to put him out of his misery, because he survived and later went on to write the book of Revelation. Even if he had died, however, that was his end in the providence of God. There was also the good thief on the cross next to Jesus, or even Jesus himself. Nobody would have thought about putting them out of their misery. The good thief participated in the sufferings of Christ, and made reparation for his sins by accepting his death willingly, for which he was awarded paradise by the Lord himself. A torturous death in our eyes may be our final purification in the eyes of God.

[Lil Red]

well said, era!

[desertwoman]

I would also help the woman in the alley way being consumed by rats... alive. Kill the rats. And if she is sucombing to the injuries and infection, and the doctors don't have anything for her... or there are no doctors around... instead of letting her waste away, show her mercy.

Killing people because of a mental handicap isn't the same as showing someone mercy because they are clearly dying and there is no other alternative besides watching them die.

For me, if you come around and see me being burned, eaten, or just writhing in sheer agony with no hope in sight... show me some mercy. Kill me... please. Don't stand there and watch me, do something.