Guest Rick777 Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 I refuse to speculate. We have no idea what those people were thinking.
N/A Gone Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1080992' date='Oct 1 2006, 05:25 PM'] I was gonna vote for ..."This is a jerky question and we can not judge the minds and hearts of those poor people involved, just pray for them and their soul:... but i couldnt find it..hmm [/quote]
Resurrexi Posted October 2, 2006 Author Posted October 2, 2006 how is it jerky? I just wanted to decide what I'd do if faced with that situation
N/A Gone Posted October 2, 2006 Posted October 2, 2006 "think" doesnt happen in that situation... jerky for assuming that one situation was respectful, and the other as suicide
Anomaly Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 If you are trapped in a burning building, it's not a choice, it's accepting the inevitable that was caused by others. Jumping is more proactive and is actively giveing up. Tom, it IS jerky as you are insinuating a judgement upon what people are choosing. A basic understanding of mortal sin as well as a basic understanding of the human psyche would illuminate the fact that extreme conditions with no apparent 'good' outcome or choice limits the free operation of the will. Jumping would be a mortal act, but in no stretch of the imagination, a mortal sin.
ardillacid Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=42567&hl="]The real question at hand![/url]
rkwright Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 This is a pretty wacky thread, and probably not in good taste. but I'll just throw in some thoughts... 1st - it is in no way our job or even our right to judge the actions of those people. In fact in general we are not supposed to judge where any soul goes; that is God's role not ours. 2nd - STM I can see why you might think jumping would be considered suicide. But I do not understand why you think 'burning' would be suicide. Unless you're implying that the person threw themselves in the fire. But if you're just talking about those people who died because they did not jump and died, I can't even understand why anyone would consider that suicide. Thats murder plain and simple. Just because you know you're probably going to die does not in any way make it suicide. either way, I'm with KnightofChrist on this one. I wouldn't be praying to save me if I jumped or keep me alive in the building. I'd be praying for God to welcome me into his arms.
Winchester Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1081052' date='Oct 1 2006, 06:35 PM'] Wow sometimes there is honesty in humor. Mary wont save you nor Allah, youre sunk... Actually would a Bible banging Christian even be in the WTC unless they got dragged in with a tour group? Money-grubbing big city insane Manhattans the last darn place I would want to visit, work or live in... {still feel sorry for all the innocent victims, and what they went through} [/quote] What about the firefighters, you moron? Or the janitors? Imbecile. As for the choice, I'll tell you if you're faced with the heat and smoke like that, it ain't a choice.
heavenseeker Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 Jump because you might as well have the thrill of free falling before you die. Niether are suicide being there would be no way of avoiding death, so all you are doing is choseing how you die
Resurrexi Posted October 5, 2006 Author Posted October 5, 2006 If a fireman comes and saves you before you jump you might live...
KnightofChrist Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 [quote name='rkwright' post='1083580' date='Oct 4 2006, 12:45 AM'] I wouldn't be praying to save me if I jumped or keep me alive in the building. I'd be praying for God to welcome me into his arms. [/quote] Prayer is all I can see we as children of God can do in a time like this, we should pray that a day like that never comes, yet when it does we should pray for Gods mercy and love to welcome us home.
heavenseeker Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1084486' date='Oct 4 2006, 10:49 PM'] If a fireman comes and saves you before you jump you might live... [/quote] if your close enough to the ground to be rescued then yes take chances of being rescued but if your so for up that your clearly going to die one way or the other then at least have a thrill befor you die.
Winchester Posted October 5, 2006 Posted October 5, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1084486' date='Oct 4 2006, 10:49 PM'] If a fireman comes and saves you before you jump you might live... [/quote] I'm telling you survival instinct takes over. Have you ever been trapped by serious fire conditions?
thessalonian Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 (edited) The proper response is not there. For we cannot determine if it is suicide to jump or not. It would depend on the heart and mind of the jumper. Perhaps they are hoping that when they hit the ground they will only break a few dozen bones. I heard of a man who jumped out of an airplaine from a thousand feet up, his parachute wouldn't open, and survived. I do not think that staying in the building could be considered suicide except if someone in there desired death. Edited October 6, 2006 by thessalonian
Anomaly Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 The correct solution is waiting to jump after you catch on fire. Wait for it... wait for it... wait for it... Okay. Now! How cool would that be?
heavenseeker Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 that would actualy be stupid, at that point you might as well just stay inside and burn
Resurrexi Posted October 6, 2006 Author Posted October 6, 2006 [quote]Have you ever been trapped by serious fire conditions?[/quote] Um no... have u?
let_go_let_God Posted October 6, 2006 Posted October 6, 2006 This is a horrible topic. The people who were trapped in the buildings and airplanes had no choice to be where they were at those moments. Many people lost their loved ones that day and some people couldn't probably control what they were doing during their last moments of life. God knows what was in the hearts of every one of the victims and understands every situation. It is not up to us to speculate. God bless- LGLG
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