jswranch Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 She keeps changing her icon to a nother picture she tries to pass off as Christian, but is acutally of pagan source! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/uploads/av-1232.jpg[/img] In her attempt to convince us to adopt her new fundamentalist version of the commandments dropping the coveting of women and property, she misses the source of her theology. Who is that man holding up those words in her icon? [img]http://www.wizardsway.com/back/tm3850x.jpg[/img] Hmmm... Here again is a pagan wizzard (Budge Icon) performing his black arts with those writtings (Budge Icon), magic Orb (Budge Icon), with the Exclamation point of Satan image (Budge Icon). My guess is she will change her current icon again. [img]http://www.reuels.com/reuels/media/wnr/wnrpl44.jpg[/img] [img]http://planetwitch.com/images/BWIZBOO.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.mindspring.com/~stardancer/bookwiz.jpg[/img]
Budge Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 I was waiting for someone to notice my new avatar. Actually it has to do with Catholicism editing out the SECOND commandment... [img]http://www.caverun.org/images/The_Ten_Commandments_lg.gif[/img] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images... Where is that in the Catholic list? They split do not covet into two commandments... and booted the second one out... [img]http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/media/ASC_0974445118.jpg[/img]
Cam42 Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1092130' date='Oct 15 2006, 02:11 PM'] I was waiting for someone to notice my new avatar. Actually it has to do with Catholicism editing out the SECOND commandment... [img]http://www.caverun.org/images/The_Ten_Commandments_lg.gif[/img] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images... Where is that in the Catholic list? They split do not covet into two commandments... and booted the second one out... [img]http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/media/ASC_0974445118.jpg[/img] [/quote] Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong....... Here is the Catechetical view..... [url="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/command.htm"]The Ten Commandments[/url] 1. I am the LORD your God: [u]you shall not have strange Gods before me[/u]. 2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. 3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day. 4. Honor your father and your mother. 5. You shall not kill. 6. You shall not commit adultery. 7. You shall not steal. 8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. 9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. 10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods. Somebody needs to learn to read, then someone needs to learn to count. Your "missing commandment" is there Budge.....sorry to disappoint. And if the Catholic view came first among Christian views, then how praytell can you claim that we altered the 10 Commandments? What you are asking is akin to "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" They are all viewed and all accounted for......but why did the Protestants change the ordering of the 10 Commandments, that is the real question? Was is simply to Protest the accepted Catechetical view? Methinks it was.
Budge Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 you shall not have strange gods before me, is not the same as you shall not have graven images... Catholics are wrongly told that graven images only concern false gods, they are wrong to begin with. God didnt put endless disclaimers on them. Remember when the Israelites built the Golden Calf in the desert, they did to signify Jehovah, not ANOTHER God, and it was STILL WRONG. Think about that one.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1092130' date='Oct 15 2006, 04:11 PM'] I was waiting for someone to notice my new avatar. Actually it has to do with Catholicism editing out the SECOND commandment... [img]http://www.caverun.org/images/The_Ten_Commandments_lg.gif[/img] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images... Where is that in the Catholic list? They split do not covet into two commandments... and booted the second one out... [img]http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/media/ASC_0974445118.jpg[/img] [/quote] Actually, Protestants split the first into two and combined the tenth. We have the commandment against worshipping graven images just as you do...it's part of the first commandment. [quote name='Budge' post='1092142' date='Oct 15 2006, 04:34 PM'] you shall not have strange gods before me, is not the same as you shall not have graven images... Catholics are wrongly told that graven images only concern false gods, they are wrong to begin with. God didnt put endless disclaimers on them. Remember when the Israelites built the Golden Calf in the desert, they did to signify Jehovah, not ANOTHER God, and it was STILL WRONG. Think about that one. [/quote] Jehovah is not God's Name. Further, they worshipped the calf. We adore no graven images.
Cam42 Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1092142' date='Oct 15 2006, 02:34 PM'] you shall not have strange gods before me, is not the same as you shall not have graven images... Catholics are wrongly told that graven images only concern false gods, they are wrong to begin with. God didnt put endless disclaimers on them. Remember when the Israelites built the Golden Calf in the desert, they did to signify Jehovah, not ANOTHER God, and it was STILL WRONG. Think about that one. [/quote] Yes, it is....duh....and I don't have to think about that one Budge....I already took that class in college. And just who is Jehovah? I am not familiar with that person. I am familiar with YHWH, OR JHVH (depending on which form of the Latin alpahbet on chooses), but not Jehovah.....is that a Protestant innovation on YHWH? Formulated from a man? Methinks that it is. Your semantics are not impressive. And your analysis of the "Golden calf" is way off....God constantly put disclaimers on things.....otherwise we wouldn't have gotten past Eve.....sheesh....
Budge Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 [quote] And just who is Jehovah? I am not familiar with that person. I am familiar with YHWH, OR JHVH (depending on which form of the Latin alpahbet on chooses), but not Jehovah.....is that a Protestant innovation on YHWH? Formulated from a man? Methinks that it is.[/quote] I write it both ways... sorry for confusion...
Cam42 Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1092157' date='Oct 15 2006, 02:45 PM'] I write it both ways... sorry for confusion... [/quote] Suprisingly you didn't answer the question.....go figure.
Fulton Sheen Warrior Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 +JMJ+ To what extent are we to avoid making graven images? Why then, do you have an image of Moses for an avatar? Is that blasphemous?
Budge Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 Graven images concerns images used for worship. Im not bowing down to that image of Moses am I?
Cam42 Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1092166' date='Oct 15 2006, 02:54 PM'] Graven images concerns images used for worship. Im not bowing down to that image of Moses am I? [/quote] No, you are wrong....in the Jewish/Hebrew tradition, this extends, hence no images on coins, etc.....yet again, you miss the point.
Budge Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 (edited) [quote] No, you are wrong....in the Jewish/Hebrew tradition, this extends, hence no images on coins, etc.....yet again, you miss the point.[/quote] Yeah you got me on this one, the Jews didnt allow pictures of anyone that has to do with leadership or religion. The face is fuzzed out on my avatar, more a general shape.... Edited October 15, 2006 by Budge
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1092177' date='Oct 15 2006, 05:00 PM'] Yeah you got me on this one...[/quote]
Cam42 Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1092177' date='Oct 15 2006, 03:00 PM'] Yeah you got me on this one, the Jews didnt allow pictures of anyone that has to do with leadership or religion. The face is fuzzed out on my avatar, more a general shape.... [/quote] Yep and the Hebrews in the desert with astygmatism would have said the same thing.....you don't get off the hook that easily..... But thanks for recognizing your error.
Guest T-Bone Posted October 15, 2006 Posted October 15, 2006 Yep, protestants think that a man owns his wife. Sad really...
PadrePioOfPietrelcino Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1092166' date='Oct 15 2006, 03:54 PM'] Graven images concerns images used for worship. Im not bowing down to that image of Moses am I? [/quote] I don't see that disclaimer in the first commandment (known to you by the protestant inventions as the second commandment), One way or another budge either you can make them or not. Catholic do not worship statues, so it falls into the same category as your avatar.
jswranch Posted October 16, 2006 Author Posted October 16, 2006 Budge, Can you explain why your list of commandments does not match that of the Jews, either before or after Christ?
kateri05 Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 i still would like the accusation explained that we "worship" graven images. cuz we don't . 'nuff said
Budge Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Give me the Jewish list... I havent seen it yet. Actually would Talmudic Judisam have the same list as Judaism before the days of Christ? [quote] Yep, protestants think that a man owns his wife.[/quote] Where do you get that? Just because the Bible teaches that a wife is to submit to husband doesnt mean he owns her.
thessalonian Posted October 16, 2006 Posted October 16, 2006 Budge, Is bowing down always worship? A yes or no will be quite sufficient. Thanks.
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