Darfur

[Anomaly]

Yes, they did, many years ago, but the 'government' is now being attacked by radical Muslims.

[Anomaly]

just a bump for catholicinsd.

Any opinion for the questions raised on page 1?

[RezaMikhaeil]

I'd like to note that the president of Darfur has said that the so called "satalite images" that the US has gathered on the "burning" in Darfur are no more credible then those about Iraq's WMD that Colin Powell presented.

It's also a common misconception that it's "the white arabs VS the Black Sudanese", that isn't exactlly the case. The so called "Arabs" aren't white, as a matter of fact seeing them face to face, you can't really tell the difference in skin tones.

[Anomaly]

I guess catholicinsd doesn't really care about discussing a solution in Darfur. I guess he doesnt' really care about the people in Darfur, but they make a convenient political weapon in other conversations or politcal schemes.

But who's to blame him. Most Catholic Clergy do the same thing. Iraq, Darfur, and the Sex Scandal, are merely political platforms for other agendas. Iraq was convenient to bash Bush, Republicans, and the US, but who cares about Just War Theory once war had started and the US is in the middle of a problem they helped create. Who cares what the Pope said if it's not politically expedient now.

Darfur? Too far. Why even talk about it, there's little or no political gain. It's a proven failure of a too soft, leave it to the UN, purely political approach while hundreds of thousands die. Heaven forbid that force may ever be used in any circumstance.

Sex Scandal. The root of the problem is the Bishops claim to follow 'fraternal correction' since only the Pope has authority over them, but meanwhile, dissenting Bishops can block, stymie, and ignore what the majority has agreed is a good course of action, and Bishops, even if removed from the Diocese, still are members in good standing at the Bishop meetings.

Edited April 1, 2007 by Anomaly

[RezaMikhaeil]

I dont know why people are giving Darfur so much attention, there are other african nations with much worse situations that are completely ignored.

[desertwoman]

If there is no gain in going to war, then it would not be done. Sadly, war is about big business as it is about defending oneself.

If Darfur had anything relating into a loss of money for other countries, then we would be all over this bad boy. If there isn't, then we leave them to their own peril and let the "humanists" take over and help.

[Winchester]

Use special forces to make surgically precise excisions of certain individuals, coupled with psyops and covert social engineering. (assassination, subversion, conversion.)

[Red Knight]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1226059' date='Apr 1 2007, 05:02 PM']I dont know why people are giving Darfur so much attention, there are other african nations with much worse situations that are completely ignored.[/quote]


Having been to Africa myself, please elaborate on your statement. Which nations? Compare to Darfur please.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Red Knight' post='1229484' date='Apr 4 2007, 09:07 AM']Having been to Africa myself, please elaborate on your statement. Which nations? Compare to Darfur please.[/quote]

Congo... over a million have died with no talk, while Darfur is like only like 300,000 or something.

Reza

[Anomaly]

That's a good excuse to do nothing. Things are worse in Congo...

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1230234' date='Apr 4 2007, 06:42 PM']That's a good excuse to do nothing. Things are worse in Congo...[/quote]

It's not an "excuse", the situation in Congo is much worse and something should be done, but why so much attention to Darfur? I'm going to be honest and say it's because Darfur gives amnesty to Palestinian freedom fighters and people are seeking for a reason for regime change. These same people that are saying "lets do something about the gov in Darfur" didn't give a **** about the people in Congo or Uganda, or anything other nation that has seen loses far worse. It's a political move to "do something about the government in Sudan". Question: Have you ever seen what color the president of Sudan is and what color the so called "rebels" are?

Reza

[Anomaly]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1230609' date='Apr 5 2007, 12:49 AM']It's not an "excuse", the situation in Congo is much worse and something should be done, but why so much attention to Darfur? I'm going to be honest and say it's because Darfur gives amnesty to Palestinian freedom fighters and people are seeking for a reason for regime change. These same people that are saying "lets do something about the gov in Darfur" didn't give a **** about the people in Congo or Uganda, or anything other nation that has seen loses far worse. It's a political move to "do something about the government in Sudan". Question: Have you ever seen what color the president of Sudan is and what color the so called "rebels" are?

Reza[/quote]Oh, I missed the part where you brought up Congo, explained all about it to raise awareness about it, and applied some moral principles to it. You didn't pring it up in a manner that makes you seem so much brighter and more aware than everyone else just to prove some 'point' without contributing to the topic of this thread.

My bad.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1230974' date='Apr 5 2007, 05:41 AM']Oh, I missed the part where you brought up Congo, explained all about it to raise awareness about it, and applied some moral principles to it. You didn't pring it up in a manner that makes you seem so much brighter and more aware than everyone else just to prove some 'point' without contributing to the topic of this thread.

My bad.[/quote]

Again, Darfur is a political move, it has nothing to do with the people, as it does what the foreign policians can gain from it.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1231963' date='Apr 6 2007, 12:56 AM']Again, Darfur is a political move, it has nothing to do with the people, as it does what the foreign policians can gain from it.[/quote]So you can't offer any Catholic or Christian moral principles that could be applied to their situation? No Catholic or Christian moral principles as guidelines for what the average person may consider supporting via a private effort or via their government.

Or is it more Catholic or Christian to ignore them because the attention given to Darfur was politically motivated and the moral thing to do is do nothing until people learn about the Congo?

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1232551' date='Apr 6 2007, 01:54 PM']So you can't offer any Catholic or Christian moral principles that could be applied to their situation? No Catholic or Christian moral principles as guidelines for what the average person may consider supporting via a private effort or via their government.

Or is it more Catholic or Christian to ignore them because the attention given to Darfur was politically motivated and the moral thing to do is do nothing until people learn about the Congo?[/quote]

I believe that the Catholic/Christian thing to do is, is to not buy into the propaganda of political leaders, and try and do something about the suffering in Darfur/Congo/Uganda and every other nation that needs our help but don't attempt to let political leaders use it for their advantage, when they don't care about those suffering and just wanna use it to justify themselves and their agenda.

Reza

[Anomaly]

UNITED NATIONS(AP) Sudan on Monday accepted the deployment of U.N. attack helicopters and 3,000 peacekeepers in Darfur, the first time it has allowed a significant injection of U.N. forces to help African troops struggling to bring peace to the region.

Sudanese Foreign Minister spokesman Ali Sadiq said Khartoum has accepted the so-called "second package" that outlines the deployment _ including the attack helicopters. The Sudanese government, however, had resisted a U.N. force in the past and frequently reversed its position.

"The heavy support package has been fully accepted by the Sudanese government, there is no more discussion," Sadiq told The Associated Press.

He said it was now up to the United Nations to decide when to deploy some 3,000 troops and the gunships to reinforce the African Union mission.

The United States had held off on imposing sanctions against Sudan to allow time for the government to decide to accept the U.N. plan, under which a joint force of U.N. and African Union peacekeepers would be deployed in Darfur.

Sudan's U.N. ambassador informed Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon in a letter that the government had approved the U.N. plan.

"It is the sincere hope of the Sudan that implementation of the heavy support package would proceed expeditiously," said Ambassador Abdalmahmood Abdalhaleem.

The current force of 7,000 AU peacekeepers has been unable to stop the fighting in a region the size of France or Texas. About 2.5 million people have been driven from their homes in Darfur and are living in poorly protected camps in the province and eastern Chad.