God In An Earthly Government?

[Winchester]

Bruce,

You assume motivation in the architecture of the Vatican other than giving glory to God. Maybe that's because you're a bigoted cynical arse portal with a chip on your shoulder, maybe not. I think the former, since your listing of the traits mentioned take a definite bend toward the bad things.

The Catholic Church does more charity work than any other Church. She stands head and shoulders above all other religions as a voice for peace, for protection of ALL human life, for the sanctity of marriage and of human sexuality. You will acknowledge this, or you will prove yourself a moronic simpleton on the order of Archie Bunker, yelling from his rotting armchair in a pathetic attempt to give meaning to his sound and fury.

It's fine and good to attack the Church, but if your posts had even a pretense of respect as opposed to condescension, they would be respectable as something other than electronic toilet tissue. In attempting to prove the Church wrong to we convinced, it would behoove you to make diplomatic overtures rather than MACH1 sorties.

[Bruce S]

Bruce,

You assume motivation in the architecture of the Vatican other than giving glory to God. Maybe that's because you're a bigoted cynical arse portal with a chip on your shoulder, maybe not. I think the former, since your listing of the traits mentioned take a definite bend toward the bad things.

Not really, I beat the snot out of our money grubbers too. We have more than our share of gold pilers, only difference is I'm NOT DEFENDING ours.

It's fine and good to attack the Church, but if your posts had even a pretense of respect as opposed to condescension, they would be respectable as something other than electronic toilet tissue. In attempting to prove the Church wrong to we convinced, it would behoove you to make diplomatic overtures rather than MACH1 sorties.

:rolling: :D ;)

Edited January 22, 2004 by Bruce S

[Jake Huether]

I am just bringing up things that Protestants talk about all the time, this IS the Interdenominal Forum, why are not the issues that really concern Protestants, in FACT LEAD TO PROTESTANISM, allowed on the floor?

I continue:

No other denomination has been consumed with wealth generation, nor accumulated wealth like the Catholic Church. I take this passage, with the other statements made by Jesus to the Apostles, to mean that this is NOT supposed to be the way His church should be organized.

Doesn't this propensity to focus on earthly power, wealth, and massive accumulated piles of valuable treasure on earth, fly in the face of those prohibitions?

I've been to the Vatican twice. It was there, HONESTLY, while standing in that vast accumulate pile of glitter, and power, and pomp, that I, for the first time, really understood the Protestant reformation. And I was a mental Catholic at that time.

Mark 14

Jesus Anointed at Bethany

1 Now the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some sly way to arrest Jesus and kill him.

2 But not during the Feast, they said, or the people may riot.

3 While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

4 Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, Why this waste of perfume?

5 It could have been sold for more than a year's wages and the money given to the poor. And they rebuked her harshly.

6 Leave her alone, said Jesus. Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me.

7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.

8 She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial.

9 I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.

[Winchester]

Not really, I beat the snot out of our money grubbers too. We have more than our share of gold pilers, only difference is I'm NOT DEFENDING ours.

And who is defending actual money grubbing? Did anyone here state accumulating wealth for its own sake was a laudable action? The answer, since you seem so averse to actually giving any, is "no." As I said, you assume motivation other than virtuous. Fine. By your response, you have confirmed well enough for me your tactic, which is to foist misleading rhetoric and never address what is put to you. Jack Chick has some excellent tracts that may teach you one or two myths you will gladly regurgitate onto the internet through your oft-pecked keyboard. Really, there is no difference. You even illustrate your posts, now.

I notice you failed to address the absolutely massive charity work done by the Church. Since that would do little to forward your agenda to demonize the Church that protected the morals you hold so dearly, I am not surprised.

You may save yourself time in emphasizing my words. I normally shun the use of bold letters; my words speak without such petty tactics, as a rule. It is procedure to add "emphasis mine" when one distorts quotes in such a manner. I did deign to use caps in the word "ALL", a nod to the virtues of type-face manipulation. I assure you that your readers can pick out the most important part of the quote you offer, although the use of ellipses (...) will allow you to excise a lesser part of the sentence and lay it on the dissection table that is the Phatmass quote box.