Pelagianism

[Guest JeffCR07]

THAT is the single most phenomenally awesome, unbelievably cool, and irrevocably sweet drinking song I have EVER heard in my life...

Pius, you should get an indulgence for that, lol, like, 40 years off Purgatory

[ICTHUS]

So, would it be correct to say that Rome teaches synergism, as opposed to Monergism - that is, that both God and the person being saved co-operate in salvation, whereas in Monergism, God alone saves?

[Guest JeffCR07]

I'm not quite sure on what "name" applies. I would either try talking to a priest that knows his stuff or writing to your bishop. I know that if I were to give you my "guess" that wouldnt be doing justice to the issue.

- Your Brother in Christ, Jeff

[cmotherofpirl]

"Work out your salvation in fear and trembling for it is God that worketh in you."
Is you faith depending on understanding all the mysteries of God?


Have you read Job 38 and Job 42?

[Guest JeffCR07]

No, your salvation isn't dependent on "understanding all the mysteries of God." In fact, we can't, and to say that we can is a heresy in and of itself. But what we [i]can[/i] to is strive towards understanding and, when we reach our limit, offer up our failure in the form of faith and humility. Christ said "I have much to tell you, but now you cannot bear it" He sent the Spirit to bring us to understanding slowly, over time, precisely [i]because[/i] he knows that we are limited.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jun 16 2004, 06:32 PM'] So, would it be correct to say that Rome teaches synergism, as opposed to Monergism - that is, that both God and the person being saved co-operate in salvation, whereas in Monergism, God alone saves? [/quote]
In a sense the Church teaches both monergism and synergism, for she holds that salvation is wholly the gift of Almighty God, and yet, man is not passive in his reception of this gift. As. St. Augustine said, "God, who made you without your consent, does not justify you without your consent. He made you without your knowledge, but He does not justify you without your willing it." [St. Augustine, Sermon 169:13]

[Hananiah]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jun 16 2004, 06:32 PM'] So, would it be correct to say that Rome teaches synergism, as opposed to Monergism - that is, that both God and the person being saved co-operate in salvation, whereas in Monergism, God alone saves? [/quote]
I don't think either catergory does justice to Catholic soteriology. The Catholic Church teaches that God's grace is the only efficient cause of salvation; the reciever is simply the instrumental cause. But the will is not merely passive under the influence of grace, because God works in the will, with the will. Also, grace is possible to resist. Like inspiration (God dictated the Bible yet the human authors were writing down their own thoughts) the relation between grace and the will is a mystery which we will not understand this side of purgatory.

[Guest JeffCR07]

hananiah, apotheoun, again, both really good posts. good work!

- Your Brother in Christ, Jeff