Jehovah Witnesses

[Akalyte]

So im reading some of their material i got from the laundry mat. They dont specifically say "catholic" But I can tell they have an obsession with attack Catholicism. i want some tactics to counter these peoples attacks. I see them everywhere here.

[CrossCuT]

[size=1]I dont have any counter attacks, but I know some people who ARE Jehovah Witnesses (my aunt and uncle) and they are really nice people!
I like them MORE than all my catholic relatives! (I guess you cant say they are catholic, they are catholic in NAME)

But yea, but I feel bad for my little cousins.
They never get to celebrate birthdays or Christmas or any other normal holidays!
They are so sweet too!
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[thessalonian]

Catholic Answers (www.catholic.com) has a good book on them and some tracts. Start there.

[Akalyte]

ok found some stumpers to stump em with'. good stuff.

[Akalyte]

this is gonna be fun. I'm going to preach to them like Jesus did with the sermon on the mount. haha

[XIX]

Sweeeeet. You'll be in my prayers.

[Winchester]

The people in the religion are not the religion itself.

[Nathan]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1122134' date='Nov 16 2006, 11:35 PM']
The people in the religion are not the religion itself.
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True. I've known fairly liberal JW's. If you asked them what their religion was they'd say "Jehovah's Witness," but you wouldn't know it otherwise.

They're probably the only kind of Christians that I would [i]encourage[/i] to be liberal. Real, gung-ho JW's are some kind of monster.

[Myles Domini]

[quote name='Nathan' post='1122248' date='Nov 17 2006, 02:50 PM']
True. I've known fairly liberal JW's. If you asked them what their religion was they'd say "Jehovah's Witness," but you wouldn't know it otherwise.

They're probably [u]the only kind of Christians[/u] that I would [i]encourage[/i] to be liberal. Real, gung-ho JW's are some kind of monster.
[/quote]

One small point. JW's are not Christians. No Trinitarian baptism, no belief in the divinity of Christ or the Holy Spirit.

[Winchester]

True. For that matter, can we consider Mormons Christians?

Do JWs identify themselves as Christians?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1122508' date='Nov 17 2006, 04:15 PM']
True. For that matter, can we consider Mormons Christians?

Do JWs identify themselves as Christians?
[/quote]
Mormons, JWs and Unitarians are not Christians.

Cardinal Sean defined it this way on his blog:
My definition of “Christian” is someone that believes in the Trinity and that follows Jesus Christ as Son of Man, Son of God, that believes that there is one God in three Persons and the second Person, the Blessed Trinity, is our redeemer and the Messiah, Jesus Christ, who is God and Man. That’s what makes us Christian. If you don’t believe that Jesus is God and Man, then you are really not a Christian. But, that is certainly in the Creed that we pray at Mass every Sunday, and that was written by Catholic Bishops and a Catholic Pope, at the Council of Nicea.

[Winchester]

But the question is: How do they identify themselves. It truly matters in dealing with them.

For instance, I think I am sane, terribly urbane, and also humble and handsome. If you contradict any of those things, you will lose my ear.

[foundsheep]

Tim Staples book "Nuts and Bolts" has great counters especially through conversations.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1122697' date='Nov 17 2006, 08:26 PM']
But the question is: How do they identify themselves. It truly matters in dealing with them.

For instance, I think I am sane, terribly urbane, and also humble and handsome. If you contradict any of those things, you will lose my ear.
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Yes, they see themselves as Christians...not only that, but as the ideal Christians living in harmony like the Early Church...which is, of course, a load of carp.

[Akalyte]

I found a tract "the end of false religion is near". and what do I see? i picture of a Catholic Priest. I cant wait to bump into them on monday.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1123086' date='Nov 18 2006, 10:25 AM']
I found a tract "the end of false religion is near". and what do I see? i picture of a Catholic Priest. I cant wait to bump into them on monday.
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Make sure you keep your cool. We are all on the battlefield of life...some are wearing the wrong uniforms. We do not want to strip and humiliate them...we want to show them the right uniforms.

[Akalyte]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1123088' date='Nov 18 2006, 09:28 AM']
Make sure you keep your cool. We are all on the battlefield of life...some are wearing the wrong uniforms. We do not want to strip and humiliate them...we want to show them the right uniforms.
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oh yeah I planned on keeping my cool. Being mean and rude would just prove their suspisions true. lol

i actually want to create my own catholic tracts. Anyone want to help?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1123085' date='Nov 18 2006, 09:23 AM']
Yes, they see themselves as Christians...not only that, but as the ideal Christians living in harmony like the Early Church...which is, of course, a load of carp.
[/quote]

But you catch my drift?

It's important, I think to not dismiss the individual as not Christian. We are not saved by knowledge, but by faith. Intellectual failure or false indoctrination probably does not equal damnation, and certainly one does not wish to be flatly told their Christianity is a load of fish. Better that a sincere believer be corrected gently. I'm not saying lay over (obviously, I would not say such a thing,) but if they are good and respectful people, then saying they (the individual, not the religion) are not Christian is not only impolite, it's also may well be incorrect (again for the individual.)

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1123153' date='Nov 18 2006, 12:56 PM']
But you catch my drift?

It's important, I think to not dismiss the individual as not Christian. We are not saved by knowledge, but by faith. Intellectual failure or false indoctrination probably does not equal damnation, and certainly one does not wish to be flatly told their Christianity is a load of fish. Better that a sincere believer be corrected gently. I'm not saying lay over (obviously, I would not say such a thing,) but if they are good and respectful people, then saying they (the individual, not the religion) are not Christian is not only impolite, it's also may well be incorrect (again for the individual.)
[/quote]
Oh, of course I understood your meaning there. The truth must all be presented, but in a certain order. It would not be wise to begin with the truth that they are not Christian, but rather to show them the light of the true faith and lead them to see the truth in it until such point that they would readily agree that JWism, Mormonism, etc., are not Christian.

[Church Punk]

In collage they were preaching to the masses... they went as far to say that Catholics were vampires and canibals because we drink and eat the Body and Blood of Jesus. My response to that, was well if thats what you want to call it, its fine!