The Giving Of Jesus Dolls

[dairygirl4u2c]

why or why not

I'd accept that they should give the dolls to people who want htem, but rememeber the issue is random.

[Winchester]

It's not inherently immoral to offend someone.

[Socrates]

Ah yes, the inevitable Dairygirl poll on this pressing issue!




And I think we all need to also ask the important question:
What if the dolls are defective, and make siren noises rather than quote Scripture when you press the button??

[rollingcatholic]

Then they'd be way cool.

[Socrates]

(If anyone's puzzled by the "siren noises" reference, [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=59419"]go here[/url], [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=59421"]here[/url] or [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=59422"]here![/url])

Edited November 18, 2006 by Socrates

[dairygirl4u2c]

I think Socrates fails to truly understand that true debate lies in philosophy. You make arguments using analogies to make your point and reduce the other side's argument as much as possible. Of course with every similiarity in an alalogy there's always a greater dissimilarity, so it can get messy and bad analogies occasionally come up. The trick is finding the right way to frame and debate and potentially get the other side to accept your position as their anaolgies or arguments are shown to be less substantive or wrong.

It's not expounding on set doctrine and pointing out obvious flaws in other's debates. It's even not stating your claim regardless of how well thought out it is. It's willing to accept clashing philsophies are going to cause complex chaos that needs sorted out and people willing to do do the sorting. Especially if they are in the debate forum.

It'd also be fruitful if you all made analogies to dissent. That way, you could make your points, and see how it can be difficult to make analogies. No one does it, that's how I know you can't do it. Everytime you do, there'll be a dissimilarity that anyone can point out. Of course this being a catholic forum, there won't be many to criticize it.

PS I do concede this might not be the most pressing issue. But, I do think it has underlying principles that people who claim to be Christian need to think about. I probably should have said they were a christian in the government, but i don't feel like making a new poll.

Edited November 18, 2006 by dairygirl4u2c

[rollingcatholic]

Analogies such as yours have no place in philosophy.

[Socrates]

Nah, I just find your polls hilarious in an absurdist, Monty Python sort of way.

[Winchester]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1122809' date='Nov 17 2006, 10:09 PM']
I think Socrates fails to truly understand that true debate lies in philosophy. You make arguments using analogies to make your point and reduce the other side's argument as much as possible. Of course with every similiarity in an alalogy there's always a greater dissimilarity, so it can get messy and bad analogies occasionally come up. The trick is finding the right way to frame and debate and potentially get the other side to accept your position as their anaolgies or arguments are shown to be less substantive or wrong.

It's not expounding on set doctrine and pointing out obvious flaws in other's debates. It's even not stating your claim regardless of how well thought out it is. It's willing to accept clashing philsophies are going to cause complex chaos that needs sorted out and people willing to do do the sorting. Especially if they are in the debate forum.

It'd also be fruitful if you all made analogies to dissent. That way, you could make your points, and see how it can be difficult to make analogies. No one does it, that's how I know you can't do it. Everytime you do, there'll be a dissimilarity that anyone can point out. Of course this being a catholic forum, there won't be many to criticize it.

PS I do concede this might not be the most pressing issue. But, I do think it has underlying principles that people who claim to be Christian need to think about. I probably should have said they were a christian in the government, but i don't feel like making a new poll.
[/quote]
I didn't know you could write paragraphs.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1122784' date='Nov 17 2006, 09:40 PM']
What if the dolls are defective, and make siren noises rather than quote Scripture when you press the button??
[/quote]

That's funny, I don't care who you are.

[Resurrexi]

I think that DairyGirl should converse at these topics in person with others in a university after she gets her doctorates in philosophy and theology.

[Resurrexi]

I also don't like the ideas of Jesus dolls if they are not very respectful and reverent and made to be venerated as would any other icon.

[Birgitta Noel]

Then you wouldn't like my bobble head Jesus?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1122336' date='Nov 17 2006, 12:50 PM']
why or why not

I'd accept that they should give the dolls to people who want htem, but rememeber the issue is random.
[/quote]
I wouldn't give a doll of Jesus because I don't believe in Idol Worship.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exodus 20:4.

[Birgitta Noel]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1158127' date='Jan 7 2007, 01:17 PM']
I wouldn't give a doll of Jesus because I don't believe in Idol Worship.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exodus 20:4.
[/quote]

Do you own a nativity set? Or for that matter photos of your loved ones? Isn't that idol worship to display such photos or images of them?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1158127' date='Jan 7 2007, 02:17 PM']
I wouldn't give a doll of Jesus because I don't believe in Idol Worship.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exodus 20:4.
[/quote]
There is a difference between having a representation or picture of something and worshipping it.

[Resurrexi]

[quote]Then you wouldn't like my bobble head Jesus? shock.gif[/quote]

No. I also don't like it when people make "Mii"s of Our Lord

Edited January 9, 2007 by StThomasMore

[Birgitta Noel]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1159473' date='Jan 8 2007, 10:43 PM']
No. I also don't like it when people make "Mii"s of Our Lord
[/quote]

What's a Mii?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='The Little Way' post='1159474' date='Jan 8 2007, 10:44 PM']
What's a Mii?
[/quote]

[FullTruth]

[quote name='The Little Way' post='1158235' date='Jan 7 2007, 05:32 PM']
Do you own a nativity set? Or for that matter photos of your loved ones? Isn't that idol worship to display such photos or images of them?
[/quote]
Nativity Set - No.
Photos of loved ones - yes, but I don't look at them very often.

When you assume giving Jesus Dolls as a form of evangelism, than you are engaging in worship of God. . .

But since you are engaging in that worship with a doll, are you not worshiping the doll and not the creator of the doll.

I would rather play it on the conservative side and not to have any appearance of evil, than to to hand them out and anger the almighty.