Love Children

[CatholicCid]

What document said that they cannot?

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1134400' date='Dec 3 2006, 10:42 PM']
that doesn't say that illegitimate children can be priests
[/quote]

Well, love children have been ordained.

[Norseman82]

I don't hold a child responsible for the sins of his/her parents.

But I also do aver that the parents did sin.

The tricky part is how to communicate our disapproval without hurting the child. And we MUST communicate our disapproval instead of acceptance in order to try to turn the tide.

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1134855' date='Dec 4 2006, 03:27 PM']
I don't hold a child responsible for the sins of his/her parents.

But I also do aver that the parents did sin.

The tricky part is how to communicate our disapproval without hurting the child. And we MUST communicate our disapproval instead of acceptance in order to try to turn the tide.
[/quote]

Yes. But, if it is possoble to do both, its perhaps the thinniest line Christians can walk.

[Resurrexi]

For goodness sake! They are not love children! They are illegitimate!

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1135164' date='Dec 4 2006, 08:53 PM']
For goodness sake! They are not love children! They are illegitimate!
[/quote]

As one myself I prefer the term "Love Child" to anything else.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

I hate both terms. Most children are conceived in love, so it is strange to use the term 'love child' just for those who aren't born in wedlock. But 'illegitimate child' is just wrong. The child isn't illegitimate, the act of fornication is. Perhaps it would help such children to feel less stigmatized if we were more careful about where we put the adjectives.

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1135170' date='Dec 4 2006, 09:04 PM']
I hate both terms. Most children are conceived in love, so it is strange to use the term 'love child' just for those who aren't born in wedlock. But 'illegitimate child' is just wrong. The child isn't illegitimate, the act of fornication is. Perhaps it would help such children to feel less stigmatized if we were more careful about where we put the adjectives.
[/quote]

There is one other adjective, but the mods say its inappropriate for Phatmass

Edited December 5, 2006 by catholicinsd

[Aloysius]

if laziness doesn't prevent you, why not simply say "children conceived out of wedlock"? 'love children' clearly condones the act... and I suppose some might see the term 'illegitimate' as condemning the children too much.

all children are formed by Love; if not by human love (there are clearly circumstances under which conception is not a loving act) then by Divine Love at least. there is married love, there is un-married love expressed in the wrong way, and there is of course married and un-married actions which do not hold human love in the act as well.... all of this indicates to me that the word 'love-child' is an inappropriate term.

'children from illicit conception' perhaps? that the conception is illicit does not invalidate the possibility that it came from true/valid love expressed illicitly

[MRSannie]

Good answer Aloysius--as one of those children (parents paid a judge to change the date on their marriage certificate, sis and I didn't find out til we were teenagers that dad had been married before, when we found a pic of a girl who looked EXACTLY like us but wasn't us-yep, two kids from previous marriage, and on mom's deathbed we were told she had been pregnant with me prior to their marriage) I find all the semantics laughable; it doesn't matter what the TERM is, it matters what the LIFE is, are they cared for, loved, respected etc. There are PLENTY of LEGITIMATE kids who have awful lives inside the traditional marriage/family scenario. OF COURSE we cannot condone the conception outside of marriage. NO MATTER WHAT. But sheesh, these children (which, by the way, most of us would cringe at just how MANY of OUR ancestors would fall into this category!!!! Trust me, it's TRUE) are human beings, innocent of this sin, and perhaps some of the problem is all the 'explanation' which is a thinly veiled attempt at securing acceptance---maybe what my parents did could be seen as decietful, but in fact by 'keeping it secret' they conveyed to me how seriously wrong it is! Had I been 'coached' all those formidable years as to how 'alright' it was (a.k.a. 'we got YOU! so conception out of wedlock ain't so bad, right?') perhaps MY life would have had misdirection too.

[cmotherofpirl]

Why is it anyones business what circumstances surround how someone else is conceived?
The topic should never even be brought up by well-mannered adults.
The idea that we need to know everyones business is a childish result of the 60s generation, and should die with them.

[Resurrexi]

It actually does matter in law... You can't be an heir if you're illegitimite

Edited December 10, 2006 by StThomasMore

[avemaria40]

I thought in the US, you could inherit anything if it was willed to you.

Do we constantly have to have debates about this? Can we just accept the fact that no matter what mistakes the parents may make, the children are given a clean state and are ALWAYS gifts of God, no matter how they come here?

Suri and Shiloh are given clean slates. Yeah, it's wrong to have sex out of wedlock and personally, I think Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise are annoying, but that doesn't change the fact that these beautiful baby girls are gifts of God and completely innocent. Besides, they need our prayers as much as anyone, especially since they are living under the harsh glare of the public life since before they were born.

[Guest Rick777]

Another love child thread?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1139324' date='Dec 10 2006, 05:59 PM']
It actually does matter in law... You can't be an heir if you're illegitimite
[/quote]
Ah, a no longer effective law that was rarely practiced in the first place.

Let's put this all in perspective.

No one is born better than others, but some die better than others. I'd rather have salvation in the next world than pride of place in this one.

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='avemaria40' post='1139404' date='Dec 10 2006, 07:40 PM']

Do we constantly have to have debates about this? Can we just accept the fact that no matter what mistakes the parents may make, the children are given a clean state and are ALWAYS gifts of God, no matter how they come here?


[/quote]

Tell that to Mr. Quayle

Edited December 30, 2006 by catholicinsd

[xTrishaxLynnx]

[quote name='avemaria40' post='1139404' date='Dec 10 2006, 07:40 PM']
Do we constantly have to have debates about this? Can we just accept the fact that no matter what mistakes the parents may make, the children are given a clean state and are ALWAYS gifts of God, no matter how they come here?
[/quote]

Umm... yeah... WE can accept that... but lots of people don't.

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='xTrishaxLynnx' post='1152299' date='Dec 30 2006, 03:31 PM']
Umm... yeah... WE can accept that... but lots of people don't.
[/quote]

Like Dan Quayle, and most of his party

[xTrishaxLynnx]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1152302' date='Dec 30 2006, 03:32 PM']
Like Dan Quayle, and most of his party
[/quote]

And some other people... that I don't even know.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1152294' date='Dec 30 2006, 03:14 PM']
Tell that to Mr. Quayle
[/quote]

If you were alive and cognizant when our former Vice President made the "Murphy Brown" remark, you would know that the target of his speech was not the offspring but rather the sinful behavior and lax attitudes of the parents.

You keep bringing this subject up, even after you found out that Opus Dei does not bar you from membership. What are you trying to accomplish? Or are you just frustrated with something or experiencing a male version of "that time of the month" and looking for someone to take it out on? If so, hit the heavy bag or see if someone wants to spar with you, there's no sin in that, otherwise I'm going to hell myself, or hit the weights or swim some laps in the pool. And for crying out loud, get your grades up so you have more options open to you to better yourself and your situation. Trust me, I had a bad family situation when I was your age as well, so I'm only speaking from experience.