Dick Cheny's Lesbian Daughter Has A Kid...

[pcabibi]

[url="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/cheney.daughters.ap/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/che...s.ap/index.html[/url]

Should we abort it?

Just joking. How do you think this will fair for the same sex marriage issue?

[Lil Red]

have you noticed how many Hollywood gay couples break up after they 'have' a baby together? i just think it's weird.

[pcabibi]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1136853' date='Dec 6 2006, 08:14 PM']
have you noticed how many Hollywood gay couples break up after they 'have' a baby together? i just think it's weird.
[/quote]

that's any hollywood couple... not just the gay ones lol

[MichaelFilo]

How will it fair? We can imagine it won't do much good for those who are against same-sex marriages unless of course the marriage falters afterwards, etc.

I wonder what Cheney thinks. Whatever the case, famalies are not made of "love and commitment" as the article suggests, but instead, are made of a mother, father, and a child. Otherwise, love and commitment could create families, but those two graces certainly cannot create famlies. They are part of good families, but it is a bit of a fallacy to suggest that is what makes a family.

Besides, children offer no decleration of committment to a family, so if children are not committed, does the family unit cease? That statement was not logical at all. Regardless, I doubt this will have too much effect on the issue until election time roles around.

[Red Knight]

[quote name='JClives' post='1136837' date='Dec 6 2006, 07:01 PM']
[url="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/cheney.daughters.ap/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/che...s.ap/index.html[/url]

Should we abort it?

Just joking. How do you think this will fair for the same sex marriage issue?
[/quote]

The Vice President's daughter hasn't factored into the discussion much, so I don't think her having a baby with her 'partner' will either.

BTW

About your sig...

Keep an open mind and people throw garbage into it!

:

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Red Knight' post='1136951' date='Dec 6 2006, 08:03 PM']
Keep an open mind and people throw garbage into it!
[/quote]

Or the brains fall out!


[quote name='JClives' post='1136837' date='Dec 6 2006, 07:01 PM']
[url="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/cheney.daughters.ap/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/che...s.ap/index.html[/url]

Should we abort it?

Just joking. How do you think this will fair for the same sex marriage issue?
[/quote]

I'd like to know how she conceived!! That would be poetic justice!

[got2luvjc]

ugh......

[track2004]

The article I read about this said Johnsonville brat was fairly ambivolent toward the gay marriage issue, but sided with Bush when he was given the chance to run for Veep. I don't know how true that is considering where I saw the link, but I'd like to believe it. Johnsonville brat and Mary seem to get along well enough, so it'd be nice to see a father who is supportive of his daughter even if he doesn't agree with her politically.

[pcabibi]

[quote name='Red Knight' post='1136951' date='Dec 6 2006, 09:03 PM']

About your sig...

Keep an open mind and people throw garbage into it!

:
[/quote]

Keep a closed mind and you can't empty the garbage! :

Edited December 7, 2006 by JClives

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='JClives' post='1137063' date='Dec 6 2006, 11:15 PM']
Keep a closed mind and you can't empty the garbage! :
[/quote]


Ha but if it cant open you cant put trash in it, thus no need the empty garbage that is not there! :

[Mercy me]

Why can't the media leave the children of politicians alone. The children arre not public figures and Mary Cheney was dragged into the campaign by John Kerry and then stayed to work on her father's campaign. She then went back to private life immediately after it ended. This is an example of a lobbying group exploiting the family of a politician for their own purposes. If you want to discuss the topic, do so but leave the children of politicians out of the discussion. They are not public figures.

[Aloysius]

opening the mind is like opening the mouth: it must be done at times to put good things in; but other times it must be guarded. no one walks around with an open mouth all of the time, licking everything in site. so too no one should walk around with an open mind all the time letting every tiny opinion in and out as if nothing ought to stick and be locked in.

[got2luvjc]

[quote name='Mercy me' post='1137179' date='Dec 7 2006, 01:48 AM']
Why can't the media leave the children of politicians alone. The children arre not public figures and Mary Cheney was dragged into the campaign by John Kerry and then stayed to work on her father's campaign. She then went back to private life immediately after it ended. This is an example of a lobbying group exploiting the family of a politician for their own purposes. If you want to discuss the topic, do so but leave the children of politicians out of the discussion. They are not public figures.
[/quote]

I agree. The children did not choose the life of their parents. But, the media will always look into the family, as much as I wish they wouldn't...

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1137229' date='Dec 7 2006, 04:12 AM']
opening the mind is like opening the mouth: it must be done at times to put good things in; but other times it must be guarded. no one walks around with an open mouth all of the time, licking everything in site. so too no one should walk around with an open mind all the time letting every tiny opinion in and out as if nothing ought to stick and be locked in.
[/quote]

you are so wise teach us, mr. miyagi

Edited December 7, 2006 by got2luvjc

[pcabibi]

How did this thread get side tracked from the Cheney's to my signiture?! anyway....



[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1137141' date='Dec 7 2006, 12:41 AM']
Ha but if it cant open you cant put trash in it, thus no need the empty garbage that is not there! :
[/quote]

The Mind creates it's own garbage and if you don't empty it you'll end up walking around naked thinking ghosts are in your clothes! :



Are you guys seriously defending closed mindedness? or do you just like disagreeing with me?

[got2luvjc]

i think they're just having fun : me too.

I'm pro-mind. I open in during the day so I can do stuff, and I close it @ night so that I don't have nightmares

[musturde]

[quote name='JClives' post='1137381' date='Dec 7 2006, 12:49 PM']
How did this thread get side tracked from the Cheney's to my signiture?! anyway....
The Mind creates it's own garbage and if you don't empty it you'll end up walking around naked thinking ghosts are in your clothes! :
Are you guys seriously defending closed mindedness? or do you just like disagreeing with me?
[/quote]

Better to stay closed minded than to have any mind at all, as I always say.

[got2luvjc]

but as long as you're not out of your mind... if you have one, stay in it

[catholicinsd]

That kid is gonna rock at softball.

[frozencell]

[quote]"Unless they move to a handful of less restrictive states, Heather will never be able to have a legal relationship with her child," said Family Pride executive director Jennifer Chrisler.

The couple "will quickly face the reality that no matter how loved their child will be. ... he or she will never have the same protections that other children born to heterosexual couples enjoy," Chrisler said. "Grandfather Cheney will no doubt face a lifetime of sleepless nights as he reflects on the irreparable harm he and his administration have done to the millions of American gay and lesbian parents and their children."[/quote]

I have a couple of problems with the statements above.

First, the figure that [i]millions[/i] of children are being raised in homosexual "marriages" is perposterous!!! See the attached article.

[url="http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=2542"]http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=2542[/url]

Secondly, how is this child in any way the child of her partner, Heather? They try to make it sound like she is being deprived of a flesh-and-blood offspring that she had anything to do with (besides "okaying" the decision with Mary). They aren't even married. In my opinion, Heather should count her blessings (in a manner of speaking). In a heterosexual relationship, the father is required to provide child support for the child should the relationship fail and the parents split. If Heather and Mary decide to call it quits then she is free and clear of any responsibility.

With that said, it is very unfortunate that these ladies made this decision. The Lord instituted a mother-father relationship for a very important reason. And I don't think that we as humans should take it upon ourselves to decide that what we want to provide a child [i]must[/i] be what that child is going to need.

Edited December 8, 2006 by frozencell

[track2004]

[quote name='frozencell' post='1138041' date='Dec 8 2006, 11:02 AM']
I have a couple of problems with the statements above.

First, the figure that [i]millions[/i] of children are being raised in homosexual "marriages" is perposterous!!! See the attached article.

[url="http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=2542"]http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=2542[/url]

Secondly, how is this child in any way the child of her partner, Heather? They try to make it sound like she is being deprived of a flesh-and-blood offspring that she had anything to do with (besides "okaying" the decision with Mary). They aren't even married. In my opinion, Heather should count her blessings (in a manner of speaking). In a heterosexual relationship, the father is required to provide child support for the child should the relationship fail and the parents split. If Heather and Mary decide to call it quits then she is free and clear of any responsibility.

With that said, it is very unfortunate that these ladies made this decision. The Lord instituted a mother-father relationship for a very important reason. And I don't think that we as humans should take it upon ourselves to decide that what we want to provide a child [i]must[/i] be what that child is going to need.
[/quote]

The millions figure is just an estimate. Maybe it's high, but it's probably more than 1 million kids, just statistically.

No duh they aren't married (officially) they can't in their state. That's not their fault. Heather could sign some papers (probably) that give her some legal liability for the kid, and should. Heather isn't just idling by with this decision, she had to be an active party because they are a couple. It's not like one person just up and decided to get preggers.

It might be unfortunate, but it's their decision to make. We raise kids in way worse situations than this kid will ever face, and we don't talk about it because the kid has a mother and father. There are bigger problems in the world than Mary Cheney and Heather WhateverHerLastNameIs having a kid.