Dave Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 Does anyone know WHY we (the United States) converted for the majority to receiving the Eucharist in our hands? Am I correct in saying that we are the only country that has changed this practice? If not who all has kept the receiving in the mouth as majority and only choice and who has changed to our majority? No, people in Europe are also allowed to receive in the hands. At least that's what I've seen in Spain, France, and Italy. And as for the subject of genuflecting which was brought up earlier, re: kids who genuflect because their parents do, what upsets me is when a family comes in and the parents genuflect but the kids don't. I'm like, why don't the parents correct them and say, "Hey, what did you forget to do?"
Aloysius Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 something that might be of interest to us all here. i was watchin the world over live and found out that the International Committee on the English Liturgy has gone over the translation of the mass and is revising it to be more in accordance with the actual latin. examples of change: the three time mea culpa will be reinstituted as well as the et cum spiritui tuum (i dont think i have that right, i like the latin but dont know it too well) is back to being and with your spirit instead of just and also with you. i posted this in open mic also i'm very excited and cant wait for the changes to come out. this may have been off topic, but still :D
Anna Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 No, Al, I think this is great place to bring up that subject. I'm sure it'll take awhile for them to implement these changes, but it can't come too soon! Bring it on! :D
PedroX Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 For those who are interested, I posted an article in the Back Alley about the changes. Its a little bitter so I didn't post it out here. I agree Al, its about time. peace...
Aloysius Posted January 20, 2004 Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) thanx for bringin that up :sadder: I WAS KICKED OUT OF THE BACK ALLEY CUZ I'M TOO YOUNG :ph34r: lol, but i've seen stuff in the back alley about that stuff (when i was there), and ever since then have been praying that they'd fix the "bad haircut the ICEL had given the bride of Christ" as i liked to call it. <PS. was my Latin right?> Edited January 20, 2004 by Aloysius
Janana8706 Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 ok i didn't read all of these, but people aren't kneeling during communion? That's weird. We all do at our church. I've worn shorts b4 and i wear jeans almost alwayz/
BlondewithaBrain Posted January 24, 2004 Posted January 24, 2004 Just wanted to say that I have never seen anyone pat their chest during the confession prayer...and that when I was in 3rd grade religious education, I was taught to take the eucharist by hand always.
Janana8706 Posted January 25, 2004 Posted January 25, 2004 I'm not sure when i see it but randomly i will see a few of the older memeber pat their chest.
Janana8706 Posted January 25, 2004 Posted January 25, 2004 I'm not sure when i see it but randomly i will see a few of the older memeber pat their chest.
Dave Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 Just wanted to say that I have never seen anyone pat their chest during the confession prayer...and that when I was in 3rd grade religious education, I was taught to take the eucharist by hand always. I pat my chest, and I always see a few other people do it, but only a few. Also, I'm sorry that they didn't teach you that you could receive in the hand OR on the tongue. If the Church allows both, then by golly, students should be taught both! :angry:
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 People in my Church started clapping during a song last week. I hate that place. I've been wanting to leave for a year now. If only my parents could be convinced. They also hold Pax Christi meetings there.
Bruce S Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 (edited) Proceedure. Like God cares what FORM you worship him with? Didn't FORM in nitty gritty detail go out the window with the Temple sacrificial system? Go read Leviticus if you want FORM, it specifies everything, even down to the SIZE and AGE of the offerings, what to do, when to do it, what day/month/year to hold holy, and on and on...mind numbing details. Jesus came to remove that burden. Paul fought with the Judaisers who wanted to keep the RULEBOOK and bring everyone back to the slavery and tyranny of the Levitial law, priesthood overlordship, mandatory this, and obligatory THAT. I doubt the Apostles would have cared either. They were too busy converting the heathens to worry about clapping, where you place your hands, or the color the Priest wore in his outfit on what week. Argh. Catholics!!! Edited January 27, 2004 by Bruce S
Dave Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 Proceedure. Like God cares what FORM you worship him with? Didn't FORM in nitty gritty detail go out the window with the Temple sacrificial system? Go read Leviticus if you want FORM, it specifies everything, even down to the SIZE and AGE of the offerings, what to do, when to do it, what day/month/year to hold holy, and on and on...mind numbing details. Jesus came to remove that burden. Paul fought with the Judaisers who wanted to keep the RULEBOOK and bring everyone back to the slavery and tyranny of the Levitial law, priesthood overlordship, mandatory this, and obligatory THAT. I doubt the Apostles would have cared either. They were too busy converting the heathens to worry about clapping, where you place your hands, or the color the Priest wore in his outfit on what week. Argh. Catholics!!! The Mass is a sacrifice, so why shouldn't there be a set form? Did you ask God whether or not he cares how He's worshipped? Did He say, "No, Bruce, I don't mind what people do"? One of the 10 Commandments says to honor your father and mother. That doesn't just include your parents but ALL legitimate authority. What more legitimate authority is there than the Church?
Aloysius Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 Proceedure. Like God cares what FORM you worship him with? Didn't FORM in nitty gritty detail go out the window with the Temple sacrificial system? Go read Leviticus if you want FORM, it specifies everything, even down to the SIZE and AGE of the offerings, what to do, when to do it, what day/month/year to hold holy, and on and on...mind numbing details. Jesus came to remove that burden. Paul fought with the Judaisers who wanted to keep the RULEBOOK and bring everyone back to the slavery and tyranny of the Levitial law, priesthood overlordship, mandatory this, and obligatory THAT. I doubt the Apostles would have cared either. They were too busy converting the heathens to worry about clapping, where you place your hands, or the color the Priest wore in his outfit on what week. Argh. Catholics!!! we want uniform procedure cause we're a universal Church... it's nice to be able to go anywhere in the world and experience the same Holy Mass... personal variations hinder that visible sign of unity.
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 The problem is you aren't supposed to clap and dance. I was embarrased standing there. 95% of the people there just did it because they thought you were supposed to. They aren't aware of the road our church is heading down.
KennC Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 Like God cares what FORM you worship him with? I doubt the Apostles would have cared either. Catholics!!! Apparently you can bring judgement upon yourself and it was an Apostle who claimed so and yes he was Catholic
M.SIGGA Posted January 27, 2004 Posted January 27, 2004 At my church we have shared praise and worship where we dance/clap/etc. and mass is more reverent so we don't do it then. Why is this being looked at as a totally Catholic thing? There is no clapping and dancing in almost any of the mainline protestant churches either. I attended a liturgy at the national cathedral and the high anglican mass was extremely devout and traditional. Clapping and dancing is NEW and is rooted in America; no one in the west ever formally worshiped this way until 1900; not the Orthodox, Catholics, or Protestants. If you are a Caucasian Christian and slavery never happened you this wouldn't be clapping or dancing so this argument is pointless. These religious expressions are native to African and Indigenous American spirituality so stop claiming it.
christopher Posted January 28, 2004 Author Posted January 28, 2004 You'd be suprised what good speaking to the priest or bishop can do. Most important though, keep praying for the road upward in our church, believe me I have had some serious disappointments here and gradually they ARE working out with Our Lady's help! Both our priest and our RCIA teacher totally sided with me about genuflecting and are continuing to tell us how and what to do correctly, THANK GOODNESS :D
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