Papal Supremacy Synod

[M.SIGGA]

please, this is sort of cool info!

[God Conquers]

I'll confirm what Ellenita said. Henry was given this title for a book of apologetics he "co-authored" with St. Thomas More.

The monarchy would get thrown out if they converted. They were in 1688.

[PedroX]

God Conquers, as so often happens, is right on the money. Charles the I married a Catholic, (one of the precipitating factors for the Civil War) and was beheaded.

Interesting, after Henry VIII split from Rome and St. Thomas More was brought up on treason charges. One of the charges was that he "ghost wrote" Henry's book of apologetics. More denied this, and most historians agree that Henry had actually written the book.

I believe Princess Margaret (the Queen's sister) converted to Catholicism. However it was, I know that she recieved formal permission from the Queen to convert. Otherwise, she would have lost all titles and priveleges.

peace...

[God Conquers]

Good one Pedro! I didn't know the tidbit about the book.

But you're talking about the Civil War (correctly and an excellent example)

I'm talking about the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

1685- Catholic King JamesII inherits the throne.

No biggie, he's childless and the throne will pass into the hands of his Protestant sister Mary.

1688- James has a male child

He's run out of the country and the monarchy is constitutionally turned over to the "conquering" Mary and William of Orange.

[Ellenita]

PedroX, I don't think you're right about Princess Margaret. She didn't have a state funeral at her own request, but I'm sure that it would have been reported in the press over here if it had been a catholic priest preciding over the funeral, it would have been too important an issue not to have been mentioned....and she wouldn't have wanted anything other than a catholic funeral if she had converted would she? Isn't 'last rites' part of the Sacrament of annointing the sick; one of the seven sacraments of catholicism? The only royal I know of who is catholic is Princess Michael of Kent. (a distant relative of Hyper! :D )

Here are some of the links about Henry VIII and the title 'Defender of the Faith'

Henry VIII

Defender of the faith

(Thanks Likos! :D )

Apologies if they don't work - I haven't used this 'new technology' before!!

There was of course Charles II between the civil war and James. Charles, although protestant, had a catholic wife and a number of catholic advisers in his court and was very reluctant initially to introduce laws which would increase discrimination against catholics, but he was weakened by the fact that he wanted above everything else to restore the monarchy following the civil war and so was willing to 'play politics' and compromise which led to further anti catholic laws being passed by parliament. Although he had illigitimate children, he refused to name them as his successor which is why James, his brother, who had reverted back to catholicism succeeded him to the throne. It is said that Charles II renounced his protestant faith on his death bed and died a catholic. William of Orange was already bitterly opposed to the monarchy at the time because Charles II had supported the catholic campaign (led by France I believe) against Holland, which was a protestant country. Charles was bankrupt and parliament wouldn't give him any money so he did a deal with Louis, King of France and this was part of the deal.

OK, I promise to stop my rant now! :D

[God Conquers]

haha, I love Charles II.

He realized that the people would much prefer fun to religious argument.

[Tom]

I think you're right that the high Anglican position is one that is increasingly difficult to sustain. Interestingly though, for the majority of my former-Anglican friends who have converted to Catholicism, it isn't the current situation but rather reading Newman that prompted their conversion.

It saddens me though to see the Anglican Church so bitterly divided. I was shocked when on pastoral placement in a Hospital in May to find that the Anglicans had two pyxs for giving Communion to the sick; one for members of "Forward in Faith" who don't accept the ordination of women, and one for those who do. It really hurts me to see Christians further divide.

Orthodoxy is one of the biggest growing denominations in the UK, but only because it's so small. It tends to be divided along ethnic lines, with often bitter rivalry between the Greek and the Russian Orthodox, which dosen't help its growth. I think this is one of my problems with Orthodoxy, which I otherwise have much love and admiration for. It does tend to be strongly associated with a nationality, lacking the sense of universal mission found in Catholicism.

Our Vice-Rector is the Catholic observer on Synod, so I'll keep you updated with any info I pick up ;)

[PedroX]

Ellenita,

I think you might be right

peace...