What Shall We Do In Iraq?

[Gadfly]

There are tons of debates on whether or not we should have gone into Iraq. Frankly this would have been splendid in 2002. But what should we do now and what will the consequences be?

Edited January 14, 2007 by Gadfly

[Didymus]

stay.

finish the job.

let the Iraqis take over eventually.

if we leave now, it will undo everything because they cant handle it on their own yet.

Edited January 14, 2007 by Didymus

[Groo the Wanderer]

Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!

er...


bad Groo!



I mean...finish the job, use whatever force is necessary. Make the Iraqis take over the grunt work, since it IS their country

Remember shock and awe? Shoulda done it methinks....prolly wouldn't have the problems we have now. A few Daisy-cutters on top of villages harboring the terrorists would change some minds muy pronto.


As for us back home...pray pray pray.

[Bonbon]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1164268' date='Jan 14 2007, 09:56 AM']
stay.

finish the job.

let the Iraqis take over eventually.

if we leave now, it will undo everything because they cant handle it on their own yet.
[/quote]
Si, i agree

[heavenseeker]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1164268' date='Jan 14 2007, 09:56 AM']
stay.

finish the job.

let the Iraqis take over eventually.

if we leave now, it will undo everything because they cant handle it on their own yet.
[/quote]
that about sums it up

even though we probably should have stayed out of there in the first place

[XIX]

I have no idea which overused, cliched, partisan soundbite is more accurate in this case:

"We need to stay the course and finish the job. Leaving now would be a disaster."

OR

"We need to bring the troops home as soon as possible. Too many have died already. *tear*"

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Gadfly' post='1164229' date='Jan 14 2007, 08:09 AM']
There are tons of debates on whether or not we should have gone into Iraq. Frankly this would have been splendid in 2002. But what should we do now and what will the consequences be?
[/quote]

What should WE do? Don't know about you, but I'm not going to do anything about it. I'm staying far away from there.

[Didymus]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1164627' date='Jan 14 2007, 06:28 PM']I'm not going to do anything about it. I'm staying far away from there.
[/quote]

from the issue or from Iraq itself?

[Mercy me]

I am tired of the sucess-is-not-an-option crowd telling us that we need to bring our troops home to protect them. What a joke! Congress can't protect our troops and these fanatics have already shown that they have no problem coming here and attacking us. I would rather that they stya in their own neighborhood and play with our troops who are a little better prepared to deal with them than I am.

[N/A Gone]

Honestly.

Pray

get the bloody media out of the way.

As a soldier, it seems that tactically there is fear of doing much with the media always trying to make the army look blood thirsty. Get the media out, get some psyop in and the war is done in less than 3-6 months.

[Red Knight]

We have a mission there to set Iraq up for success as a democracy. In today's instant gratification culture in America, people forget that transitioning to a democracy is a long and painful process for people used to a dictatorship.

This will take time. We as Americans need to smell of elderberries it up and drive on.

We as Catholics need to pray that it takes less time and not more. We need to pray for the souls of our soldiers. Praying for their safety is fine, but praying for their souls is far more important.

Regarding the "Bring our troops home to keep them safe" crowd. @^%#%@$@^@%#&!!!!!!!

The members of the Armed Forces put their lives in harms way INTENTIONALLY, because if they don't, who will?

Being a soldier is a dangerous profession. We go overseas and get shot at and blown up, so the average American doesn't have to. It's a sacrifice that any self-respecting soldier understands and accepts.

[CrossCuT]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1164276' date='Jan 14 2007, 10:18 AM']
Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!

er...
bad Groo!
I mean...finish the job, use whatever force is necessary. Make the Iraqis take over the grunt work, since it IS their country
[/quote]
[size=1]yea I know! it IS their country! Their own garbage hole! I dont know why we helped them at all! They got themselves into this mess by being worthless and beliving in their false religion of hate!
I think we should just leave them to be killed off by their leaders. it would be better for the rest of us.












































































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[Bonbon]

[quote name='Mercy me' post='1166172' date='Jan 15 2007, 05:36 PM']
I am tired of the sucess-is-not-an-option crowd telling us that we need to bring our troops home to protect them. What a joke! Congress can't protect our troops and these fanatics have already shown that they have no problem coming here and attacking us. I would rather that they stya in their own neighborhood and play with our troops who are a little better prepared to deal with them than I am.
[/quote]
Honestly the whole idea of protecting our troops is overrated.
I mean those who are soldiers became soldiers on their own accord. They are trained to fight. It's what they're meant to do, it's what they want to do. If ever I meet a soldier who doesn't want to go protect his own country, I would disgrace him. He doesn't deserve to be one.
I am going into the Air Force and I would do anything to protect my home. And the one's I love.

[123]

We do what me must, the details are upto the American individual.

Call me crazy but, We seem to be back in the same state that we were when the Holy Mother came to Fatima and promised the end of WWI.

Pray for peace. Always.

Edited January 17, 2007 by GloriaIesusChristi

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Red Knight' post='1166703' date='Jan 16 2007, 04:41 PM']Being a soldier is a dangerous profession. We go overseas and get shot at and blown up, so the average American doesn't have to. It's a sacrifice that any self-respecting soldier understands and accepts.
[/quote]

Saddam never attacked the US mainland and never made any threats to. I doubt the average American had much to fear...

[Didymus]

thats a dangerous doubt RProddy, we know Saddam had weapons we was not suppose to have. What could he have had by now if we never went in? Would Kuwait exist? How many more terrorists would have been harbored and armed? So in 1,5,10 years, whos to say these terrorists wouldnt have made it into the US. I say any government harboring/willing to harbor or arm terrorists in any part of the world is a threat to the US, because so many want to get in and harm us.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1170902' date='Jan 20 2007, 03:26 AM']
we know Saddam had weapons we was not suppose to have.[/quote]

False, the UN sanctions worked and he had no wmd in 2003.

[quote]Would Kuwait exist?[/quote]

Yes, the coaltition went in in 1991 and there is little doubt that another would have been formed to rescue Kuwait again. Besides, Saddam wasn't silly enough to make such a massive mistake again with a weaker army.

[quote]How many more terrorists would have been harbored and armed?[/quote]

None..

[quote]I say any government harboring/willing to harbor or arm terrorists in any part of the world is a threat to the US, because so many want to get in and harm us.
[/quote]

It's a stretch to say Saddam directly surrorted the efforts and arming of terrorists. Besides, it's a skirmish compared to invading a sovereign nation. I was surprised when the US fell for it and disappointed the UK joined in.

[Aloysius]

actually, it is documented that he did still have chemical weapons that he had signed off as destroying in 2003. they found those. they were old, may not have been ready to be used, but he hadn't destroyed them like he said he did. it was a breach of the agreement, and there was no way of us to know that those specific weapons had fallen into disusability.

not to mention it has never been proven that there were not more weapons which went across the border. though there clearly were weapons programs and the ability to make weapons, making it very likely and plausible that some did exist and were sent across the border.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1166685' date='Jan 16 2007, 10:12 AM']
Honestly.

Pray

get the bloody media out of the way.

As a soldier, it seems that tactically there is fear of doing much with the media always trying to make the army look blood thirsty. Get the media out, get some psyop in and the war is done in less than 3-6 months.
[/quote]

Amen.