What Would You Call Me?

[Jesus_lol]

i was originally a mennonite but when we moved we started going to the nearest church, the united church, and very occasionally the anglican church. personally im not entirely sure what the differences between ANY of the churchs(presbeterian, lutheran, anglican, catholic, etc) are other than some of the practises within the catholic church. when people ask me whether im religious, i just answer that i am a christian, that i believe in god. what exactly are the differences in faith between some of these, i dont need to know political stance.

[cmotherofpirl]

If you are a member of the Jewish faith, your religion was founded by Abraham about 4,000 years ago.
If you are a Hindu, your religion was developed in India around 1,500 B.C.

If you are a Buddhist, your religion split from Hinduism, and was founded by Buddha, Prince Siddhartha Gautama of India, about 500 B.C.

If you are Catholic, Jesus Christ began your religion in the year 33.

If you are Islamic, Mohammed started your religion in what is now Saudi Arabia around 600 A.D.

If you are Eastern Orthodox, your sect separated from Catholicism around the year 1000.

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded my Martin Luther, an ex-Monk of the Catholic Church, in 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England (Anglican), your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded when John Knox brought the teachings of John Calvin to Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Unitarian, your religious group developed in Europe in the 1500's

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion branched off from Puritanism in the early 1600's in England.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1607.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was founded by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are an Episcopalian, your religion was brought over from England, to the American colonies and formed a separate religion founded by Samuel Seabury in 1789.

If you are a Mormon (Latter-Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your church in Palmyra, N.Y., NOT Salt Lake City, which would have been my guess. The year was 1830.

If you worship with the Salvation Army (yes, it's a religious group, not just an organization that collects money in kettles on Christmas and serves dinners to the homeless), your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year your religion was founded by Mary Baker Eddy.

If you are a Jehovah's Witness, your religion was founded by Charles Taze Russell in Pennsylvania in the 1870's.

If you are a Pentecostal, your religion was started in the United States in 1901.

If you are an agnostic, you profess an uncertainty or a skepticism about the existence of God or a Higher Being.

If you are an atheist, you do not believe in the existence of God or any other higher power.

[Groo the Wanderer]

I would call you a dearly beloved Child of God

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

Very thourough C-Mom.

[123]

[quote]If you are a Buddhist, your religion split from Hinduism, and was founded by Buddha, Prince Siddhartha Gautama of India, about 500 B.C.

If you are Catholic, Jesus Christ began your religion in the year 33. [/quote]

I like these two the most...

[quote]I would call you a dearly beloved Child of God [/quote]

quite the "grand title" for him, I do say.

[catholimaniac]

How would you feel about bible thumping Jesus freak?

And I mean that in the best way possible. :

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1168987' date='Jan 18 2007, 10:38 AM']
I would call you a dearly beloved Child of God
[/quote]
yaaaay! :

[quote name='GloriaIesusChristi' post='1169005' date='Jan 18 2007, 10:58 AM']
I like these two the most...
quite the "grand title" for him, I do say.
[/quote]

and just what are you implying by that? eh? :

[quote name='catholimaniac' post='1169102' date='Jan 18 2007, 12:43 PM']
How would you feel about bible thumping Jesus freak?

And I mean that in the best way possible. :
[/quote]

well, i suppose...not. i dont think i have ever thumped a bible in my life! in fact i doubt whether many of my friends know that i am christian at all


ya, and good job CMom! that was great! i was wondering what with all these "burn the protestant bibles" and such in recent threads

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1169177' date='Jan 18 2007, 03:49 PM']

I was wondering what with all these "burn the protestant bibles" and such in recent threads
[/quote]
always check the status listed when you see something like that. Most times you will find they "don rep the church".

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1169177' date='Jan 18 2007, 01:49 PM']
yaaaay! :
and just what are you implying by that? eh? :
well, i suppose...not. i dont think i have ever thumped a bible in my life! in fact i doubt whether many of my friends know that i am christian at all
ya, and good job CMom! that was great! i was wondering what with all these "burn the protestant bibles" and such in recent threads
[/quote]

Pope St. Pius X declared in his Catechism that Protestant Bibles are to be burned, and I will obey him in that.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1169841' date='Jan 19 2007, 12:42 AM']
Pope St. Pius X declared in his Catechism that Protestant Bibles are to be burned, and I will obey him in that.
[/quote]
see what I mean?

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

I would describe your religion as Christian-protestant.

P.S-If a saint says to burn protestant bibles, it is good enough for me.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1169853' date='Jan 18 2007, 10:47 PM']
see what I mean?
[/quote]

yup good eye!
and then again two in a row!

Edited January 19, 2007 by Jesus_lol

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]If a saint says to burn protestant bibles, it is good enough for me.[/quote]

Even saints are wrong sometimes - and they are the first to admit it. Without that level of humility they wouldn't be saints. Being a Pope or a saint does not mean that you are always right, as we are constantly trying to explain to certain Protestants.

"Where they burn books, they will in the end burn human beings." - Heinrich Heine.

Edited January 19, 2007 by Cathoholic Anonymous

[Katholikos]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1169841' date='Jan 19 2007, 12:42 AM']
Pope St. Pius X declared in his Catechism that Protestant Bibles are to be burned, and I will obey him in that.
[/quote]May we have your source, please? Was he condemning the RSV or (for example) Tyndale's faulty translation? We (Catholics) all know that Protestant Bibles are incomplete. But the RSV is so well translated that we have the RSV-CE.

Jay

P.S. The RSV wasn't published until 1946/1952, but you see my point (I hope).

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Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!

Edited January 20, 2007 by Katholikos

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Katholikos' post='1171282' date='Jan 20 2007, 09:59 AM']
May we have your source, please? Was he condemning the RSV or (for example) Tyndale's faulty translation? We (Catholics) all know that Protestant Bibles are incomplete. But the RSV is so well translated that we have the RSV-CE.

Jay

P.S. The RSV wasn't published until 1946/1952, but you see my point (I hope).

====================
Blessed Father Damien, pray for us!
[/quote]

[quote name='The Catechism of St. Pius X']32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?
A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.

33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.[/quote]

[cmotherofpirl]

The Catechism has been updated in the last 500 years , so this is no longer in force.

[Aloysius]

The Catechism of Piux X is from the turn of the 20th century.

Anyway, I'd like to offer another perspective on that quote.

What is one to do with something containing the sacred but its usability has been compromised in some way? i.e. a broken rosary without enough beads, a torn bible or a torn missal, a broken statue. Bury it, burn it, or give it to a priest.

protestant scriptures with misleading translations render what is sacred in the scriptures no longer directly usable with absolute trust and faith by a common faithful Catholic. a Catholic should be able to have absolute trust and faith in the scriptures that he reads; when the ability to fully trust everything written in the copy of the scriptures one owns is compromised, one must dispose of it in the manner respectful to that which is sacred within it.

throwing a protestant bible in the trash: disrespectful to the scriptures.
using the protestant bible as a devotional bible: bad idea, you ought to be able to fully trust the scriptures you read for devotion
therefore, there are two options left: dispose of it by burning or burying, or give it to a priest or some other scholar who can use it for intellectual discourse with protestants.

of course, if you yourself do devote some time to scholarship of the different beleifs of different christian denominations for the sake of debates and such, you should put it onto your shelf. but the common everyday Catholic who's not an apologist or any such thing has no use for a bible he cannot fully trust and thus should dispose of it in a manner fitting of something containing some sacredness.

[VeniteAdoremus]

Why is throwing it in the trash disrespectful to the scriptures, but burning or burying isn't? I would say the lack of respect lies in the destructional part of the act, not the method.

[Norseman82]

Protestant Bibles can be useful when doing comparative scripture analysis when researching for apologetic purposes.

Edited January 21, 2007 by Norseman82

[Aloysius]

because that's what we do to anything sacred which has lost its usability-- burn it or bury it.

if you have a rosary that gets broken beyond repairability, you're supposed to bury it or burn it (well, if it's made of burnable material) same if you have a bible that, by some accident, becomes unreadable (say it goes through the washer or something). the way to dispose of it is to either burn it or bury it.

that's the type of respectful disposal of a sacred object that comes into disusability. you don't treat it like some normal peice of trash, you give it over to a natural form of disposal (fire, burial)

that's even the etiquette for disposing of an old flag. and though traditionally Catholicism is against cremation, the two ways people all over the world come up with to dispose of a human body, the most sacred thing of all, is to burn or bury it.

if you see that form of disposal as disrespectful, what do you consider respectful? are we to have rooms full of unusable old sacred items when they break or become unusable? nah, we should dispose of things by fire or burial.

so when it comes to an average Catholic, their devotional bible should bea Catholic Bible so they can fully trust it. unless they use it solely for the intellectual enterprises of stuff like apologetics, it's not unreasonable for them to consider burning, burying, or giving to the priest or some scholar or apologist, any protestant bible they have.