3 Secrets Of Fatima

[M.SIGGA]

I heard that it was seen in Spain, but as for it being seen all around the world, I don't think so.

did you mean portugal, eh?

[Dave]

did you mean portugal, eh?

No, I meant Spain. Somebody had said they'd heard it was seen all over the world, but that wasn't the case. When I said Spain, I was referring to places other than Portugal where the phenomenon was seen.

[angelica]

M. Sigga, I like this topic! My family has the Fatima video, "The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima"-we love to watch it. It is true that believing in Fatima isn't an absolute necessity to gain salvation, but it is a wonderful faith strengthener (not a word ^_^ ) We just have to be careful with thinking that it is not to be believed at all cuz the Miracle at Fatima is as true as any documented, recorded history like any other valid historical document. Real evidence proving Fatima is true could be found with a little research in a library. Did ya'll know the face of Jacinta Marto is incorrupt? I think I read that in the informational brochure my sister brought back when she made a pilgrimage to Fatima.

Jacinta Marto's incorrupt face (scroll down til you see green highlighted word "incorrupt")

http://www.tfp.org/magazine/mag46/main.htm

[M.SIGGA]

M. Sigga, I like this topic! My family has the Fatima video, "The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima"-we love to watch it. It is true that believing in Fatima isn't an absolute necessity to gain salvation, but it is a wonderful faith strengthener (not a word ^_^ ) We just have to be careful with thinking that it is not to be believed at all cuz the Miracle at Fatima is as true as any documented, recorded history like any other valid historical document. Real evidence proving Fatima is true could be found with a little research in a library. Did ya'll know the face of Jacinta Marto is incorrupt? I think I read that in the informational brochure my sister brought back when she made a pilgrimage to Fatima.

Jacinta Marto's incorrupt face (scroll down til you see green highlighted word "incorrupt")

http://www.tfp.org/magazine/mag46/main.htm

amesome website. I don't see how anyone could disagree with the apparitions, or say that something supernatural didn't take place. the apparition and the actual messages, which I didn't post, completely outlined the events of the 20th century. I know some Protestants believe they were a source of evil, but the messages of Fatima also preached a universal call and conversion to Christ at the same time, so it couldn't be evil. I think it's kinda sad that since the fall of the Soviet Union, the devotion to Fatima has sort of not been talked about that much anymore.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Based on what you said about private revelation, you might as well call it public revelation. If the Church approves it, and we're wrong for not believing it, then it is in fact PUBLIC revelation, which ceased with the death of the last apostle. It is not NECESSARY for us to know these things, at best, GOOD for us to know these things. As long as you make that distinction that it is not vital for our salvation to have this information.

The points in my last post were true, you may not like the implications but that's fine. And of course there is a huge difference between private and public revelation, I thought I made that clear in my last post. I wasn't doing a comparison I was simply stressing the seriousness of private revelation because it is often ignored or criticized by people. And you are right in saying these things (private rev) are GOOD for us to know, it was obviously important enough for Jesus or Our Lady to make a visit to tell us these things, and important enough for them to rock miracles, and important enough for the Church to approve it, etc.

These things are not necessary for salvation like public revelation, but they are helpful. And public revelation is what we think of as revelation more in the strict sense. It tells us everything we need to know to be saved. Private revelation does not add to this deposit of faith, it is usually warning of things, motherly advice and requests and things like that. It applies the faith to particular times and situations, it doesn't add or change the faith because private revelation is not authoritative like that and that's not it's place. You would do well to clarify your concepts before accusing me of equating public and private revelation.

And I never said people are "wrong for not believing in it" so don't put words in my mouth. What I did do is point out some problematics that those who don't believe in them should really think about. The Church officially believes in them (approved private revs), the Holy Father believes in them and we are called to give "religious assent to the manifest mind of the Holy Father even when he isn't speaking ex cathedra." - Vatican II

Believing the content of the messages is different then believing it was a valid apparition or whatever. Remember, private revelation can contain errors, the visionaries or whoever are not infallible. So I don't think there is a problem if someone doesn't like some particular part of a message or some statement of a fatima visionary or whoever it is. But to say that Fatima wasn't real, or it was from the devil or something like that is most problematic for a Catholic.

[PatrickRitaMichael]

Whoops, maybe I overstated myself. I thought I remembered reading somewhere that people in France saw the sun changing colors that day and that there were lots of electrical problems, too (I was doing some research before I visited Grenoble). I could be mistaken...

As far as wondering why people don't believe in these miracles, I found this website trying to explain it away: http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/fatruth.htm

Basically people will come up with any explanation to NOT believe. Sad.

[Dave]

Ya know, I thought it might be wise to include here a saying that I've heard:

For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.

For those who don't, no explanation is possible.

[Donna]

I wonder, PRM, if what you might have read was seen all over Europe, was what Our Lady called "the night illumined by an unknown light"; this was the sign that God was about to punish the world for its crimes; war (WW II), the good will be martyred, etc;

This light was termed aurora borealis by scientists. It soaked the sky blood red in Europe (Sr. Lucy saw it - I want to say in Tuy, w/ the Dorethean Sisters she was with before becoming a Carmelite), the dogs howled, and shortly after WW II began, during "the pontificate of Pius XI", just as Our Lady had predicted.

Edited January 24, 2004 by Donna