This Is My Last Post Here For A While

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1175931' date='Jan 25 2007, 02:56 PM']
That is why the believers gather together in synogogues in the nation of Israel, to share the truths they learned from the scriptures. Remember, they didn't have the complete book of Prophecy we have.[/quote]

When was this practice, if it ever existed? Before God gave Abraham the single Authority to speak to the Israelites for God? Then that authority past to his blessed son, to his blessed son, and so on, until God sat up Kings of Israel, and High Priest, then Christ, then to the Popes.

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1175931' date='Jan 25 2007, 02:56 PM']So what I am proposing is the dismantelling of religion, but the sharing of truths each of us learns from the word of YHWH.
[/quote]


Do you understand what you are asking? We in the Church are the body of Christ. So are the bishops and Pope. Yet they in a sense are more the neck, and Christ is the Head. You are effectually asking to separate the body from the head. Decapitation of Christ.

Also what happens when there is great disagree between which truth is truth? If there is no authority who speaks for God, there is no way to know which truth is true. And you would have relativism.

Edited January 25, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[mortify]

[quote]"They only had judges who would guide them, and lead them. There was no Human leadership at all. Only YHWH was king of the nation of Israel."[/quote]

Yes, like that part in the Old Testament where Korah stands up to Moses and declares that anyone can be a priest since everyone is equal... Yhwh was totally on Korah's side.........right?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1176056' date='Jan 25 2007, 05:29 PM']
"They asked for a King, and YHWH says, they have rejected me, that I should not be king over them.

What part of that don't you understand?

There was no Human King in Israel before then, or they wouldn't be asking for a King? What part of that don't you understand?"
1 Sam 8:1 When Samuel became old, he made his sons judges over Israel. 2The name of his firstborn son was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judges in Beer-sheba. 3Yet his sons did not follow in his ways, but turned aside after gain; they took bribes and perverted justice.

You can see why the Israelites wanted a king, and God did grant teir request.
[/quote]
Yes he did, but he did say it was a rejection of him.

Haven't you given in to a spoiled child screaming for Ice Cream. They were bad, and to quiet them, you gave them something, knowing you are giving into them. That is what YHWH did when he gave them a King. He gave a bunch of spoiled children who didn't trust YHWH to raise up a righteous Judge to lead them. They were of little faith.

That's what happened there. YHWH considered it a rejection of him. Scripture says so. He considered it a rejection of his kingship, and we need to remember that. We should not obey human authority for the human's sake, but submit our will to YHWH and obey human authority for the sake of YHWH. Hence we give the authority to YHWH and not the human.

I believe this is what Yeshua meant by having the Kingdom of YHWH in our hearts. YHWH is the one who has the authority over us. So when a president or any other human tells us to do something in error, we can immediately say, not me. It is a great responsibility and a great freedom at the same time, because we now know we must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. There is no margain for error in our lives now, because if we err, we live not in the Kingdom. But at the same time, we are free from the decisions of our Leaders, because we can honestly say -

"YHWH didn't want this for us. But we chose evil, and President/Prime Minister/Dictator/UN chancellor/ect/ect/ect did something that is against YHWH and the will of YHWH. May YHWH have mercy on their souls."

To give you a real life example of this out of my life.

When I was at the annual downtown planning meeting, several business owners thought it was a good idea to put Survailance camera's to 'make the downtown safe'.

We hear a lot about that lately. More survailance to be safe. Most Christians who don't look past we are to obey our leaders, without thinking why we should, thought the idea is good. After all, if you're not doing anything wrong, its okay. Doesn't hurt them.
In my spirit, I was totally against it. This survailance society thing is leading us closer and closer to the total survailence of the Kingdom of the Anti-Christ. So why are we taking more and more steps taking us closer. Should we not speak out and say, no and this is evil. Is that evil to do so. Is it evil for me to say - I will not submit to survailance cameras in my downtown?

So I wrote a story on it. Is it not my right to do so. Was it not my right to point out that the privacy commissioner of Canada considered a similar case to be against the Canadain privacy laws.

I obey the laws of the land and accept the authority of those in charge and what they want, as long as it doesn't offend the spirit of YHWH.




On the ethnic cleansing of the Holy Land for the original nation of Israel. There were reasons for it. Reasons you all should realized. Idoltry.

Did you know that many of the peoples of those lands sacrificed babies. You tell me, if you were YHWH would you want such taints on your people?

Today, such things are not practiced by religions. It is time for us to grow up as a people and start working with each other. There are far greater fish to fry than Protestants versus Catholics. Trintarians versus Modalists, Arians and Unitarians. Christians against Jews and Muslims. Jews versus Muslims and Christians, and Muslims against Jews and Christians.

Remember, we are to put the enemies of Yeshua under his feet. We are commanded to step on the head of the serpent. So lets not focus on the differences of each religion and fight the real fight - against Satan, and enter into spiritual warfare against the Kingdom of Darkness.

Edited January 26, 2007 by FullTruth

[KnightofChrist]

But how do you find The Truth, in a sea of "truths?" How do you solve great disagreement between two, or thousands of sides without a single final authority?

How can we take out the neck of the body of Christ, without decapitating Christ?

[mortify]

[quote]Korah (...) became insolent and rose up against Moses. With them were 250 Israelite men, well-known community leaders who had been appointed members of the council. They came as a group to oppose Moses and Aaron and said to them, [size=4][b]"You have gone too far! The whole community is holy, every one of them, and the LORD is with them. Why then do you set yourselves above the LORD's assembly?"[/b][/size][/quote]

Does this bear a striking resemblance to [i]people[/i] we know?

Do you know what became of Korah and his followers?


Numbers 16:1-50

Edited January 26, 2007 by mortify

[FullTruth]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1176289' date='Jan 25 2007, 10:59 PM']
But how do you find The Truth, in a sea of "truths?" How do you solve great disagreement between two, or thousands of sides without a single final authority?

How can we take out the neck of the body of Christ, without decapitating Christ?
[/quote]

You don't. You work with them, and they work with you.

The differences between the Abrahamic faiths are peebles at worst compared to the differences of Bhuddism and Hinduism, and other non-abrahamic faiths.

The church that YHWH founded was scattered across the globe and each came together to work with each other. I'm not against the Catholic Faith. In fact I'm for the Catholic Faith and the Protestant faiths, and Arians, Modalists, Unitarians, and Judaism, and Islam.

Unfortunately, I am not the norm in the 'Christian World' because the 'Christian World' has been brainwashed to be against each other.

Call me a revolutionary.

I don't think the Catholic Church is the Mystery of Babylon. You guys weren't around to kill the Prophets. So there has to be something else that meets that description, or else YHWH is a liar.

And the fact it is called the Mystery of Babylon, and I have talked about the Mystery Religions of Babylon and Egypt trying to destroy us and corrupt basic teachings of YHWH such as 6-day creationism. Yes, I think the idea of Evolution came right out of their lying mouths. Well, think about it for a second. It meets prophecy. The Mystery of Babylon is the Mystery Religions of Babylon and Egypt. Kinda makes sense doesn't it, or at least I hope it does for you. To think such men and women haven't infiltrated each and every nation and religion to make them obey them is insane to think so.

One example is the Federal Reserve and Income Tax.

The Federal Reserve is owned by private bankers such as David Rockefeller and the Rothschild family, guess who I think they are - yup the followers of the mystery religions of Babylon and Egypt, and they print up the money the American government use to run all of our services, and the government pays that money back with interest because that money is considered a loan. Oh my goodness, can this be proven. Yes.

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198"]Watch and then buy America : From Freedom to Facism[/url].

This is a wonderful video, with dozens of sources. So it is not one source, but dozens showing us the travesty of the tax system in America. How these evil men are destroying us. The same tax system is practiced all over planet earth, and we wonder why there is so much violence and death and destruction in the world.

So we have a system that puts our nations into further and further debt, to line the pockets of the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. If you ask me, I think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds should be strung up by the toes for hours for what they have done. Call me cruel, but such evil should not be tolerated, because that national debt affects us. It's called poverty.

They own our countries. Are we to trust the leaders of our countries then, NO! But we are to obey them, as long as what they ask doesn't offend the spirit of YHWH.

[url="http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/freeman.htm"]The fact that the Rockefellers and Rothschilds and other bloodlines claim they can trace their roots back to King David is disturbing, because such people can meet the description of the Mystery of Babylon, because they can kill the prohpets easily, because they were there in those times. They trace their roots to King David not because they were descendants of his children, but only one of his children, Solomon. If you think for a second having 700 wives and 300 concubines of the heathen nations didn't produce one child, I'd call you insane. . .[/url]

So we have families who are waring against the saints and who have destroyed the prophets. Why, because these sicko nut jobs are against a being the live and move and have their being in. Kinda futile if you ask me. That is why I know we win, no matter what they do. But as long as I am here. I want to help people out of the mind control these sicko nut jobs have done to us, and this is how we are to realize this freedom from them, and have the Gospel of the Kingdom of YHWH in our hearts.

We need the authority of YHWH in our lives, and by obeying YHWH and his laws we obey the laws of men and obey men, but we also make any human authority to no effect on our lives, because we are not obeying human authority but the authority of YHWH, thrus we obey and reject authority at the same time, giving us peace in our hearts we aren't obeying someone who is controlled by some very evil men, but we are obeying YHWH.

Honestly, the more you research these things, the more you realize these people are in charge. Which is why the Gospel of the Kingdom is so important. That YHWH is the authority and their authority is of no effect because we obey them not for their sake but for YHWH's sake, so YHWH will be glorified in our lives, and his salvation being declared through out the land, that Yeshua has defeated these evil men with his death on the cross.

Edited January 26, 2007 by FullTruth

[cmotherofpirl]

Nobody can do a bloodline back to King David.
Kings and Queens of England and back to Charlemagne, not hard. David? nope

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1176433' date='Jan 26 2007, 12:32 AM']
Nobody can do a bloodline back to King David.
Kings and Queens of England and back to Charlemagne, not hard. David? nope
[/quote]
Cmom, you're kidding right.

Solomon probably had hundreds of children with his heathen wives. That kind of family tree goes on for centuries, even millenium.

And the fact many people say that would go a great deal to prove why the bible calls their families the Mystery of Babylon.

How could such a families trace their roots so far back? Sounds like a mystery to me. A mystery because they have hidden it well, and so we dismiss such things, while they work in secret bringing the kingdom of their master into reality, the Kingdom of the Anti-Christ.

And I would think you'd want someone to shift that prophecy from the Roman Catholic Church to point out the real threat.

Edited January 26, 2007 by FullTruth

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1176323' date='Jan 25 2007, 11:33 PM']
You don't. You work with them, and they work with you.
[/quote]


All well and good but how? Without a Head to decide when the two sides will not, how can the body work?

ps

It is good of you to think good of Catholics

[ronyodish]

[quote]Religion and Government fulfill the prophecies of Samuel. Face it, Government and Religion weren't institutions given to us by YHWH to help us, but instruments of Satan to opress us.[/quote]

FullTruth,

The passage in Samuel is referring to Israel's desire of a king who will govern them "like all the nations" (1 Sam. 8:5, 20). The kings of the nations surrounding Israel were wicked kings, and so YHWH was displeased that Israel was desiring to be like all these nations, instead of the special holy nation that YHWH wanted them to be. They weren't seeking of YHWH a "man after his own heart" (1 Sam. 13:14) like King David was.

There is nothing wrong with having a king so long as he is a holy king, a king who does the will of YHWH, a king whom YHWH will rule through, just as, how YHWH ruled through the Judges. But again, this is not what Israel was looking for, because they wanted to be not a holy nation set apart, but a nation like all the other wicked nations.

In our modern time, we know that we have to obey the leaders of our countries even though they may be wicked sometimes in their lives, but if they ask us to do something against the will of YHWH, then we will disobey (like for example if they ask us to abort our babies so that we keep the population down), because we would rather obey YHWH than sin. In things that don't cause us to sin, then we are to obey them because "there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God" (Rom. 13:1).

I know you said that you will obey the laws of society if they are in agreement with YHWH's laws, and that's good. However, you have to figure out from the Holy Bible exactly which laws are in agreement with YHWH's laws and which ones are not. But since you are not an infallible authority, you could make a mistake and misinterpret the Bible. You might think that the Holy Spirit is guiding you to a certain interpretation, where in fact, it might just be your own spirit. If YHWH's Holy Spirit is guiding each person in an individual interpretation of the Bible, than we would expect all of these individuals, who claim that the Holy Spirit is guiding them to interpret the Bible, to all agree on what the Bible says. But, we don't see that happening, in fact, we see many contradictions in the interpretations of people who make this claim. Of course, the Holy Spirit can not be the author of this confusion, it must then mean that some people's own spirits are guiding them, and some others are probably being guided by the evil spirit who is the "father of lies" (John 8:44).

Catholics have the benefit of the Catholic Church's Magisterim (Teaching Office of the Pope and Bishops in unity with him) which YHWH setup to help us interpret the Bible correctly when necessary in an offical manner, and in order to help us know which are YHWH's laws and which are not. YHWH's Holy Spirit rules through this Catholic Church, which is called the Body of Yeshua (Ysho' in Aramaic). This faith called Catholic Christianity is in fact a religion that YHWH setup, the religion of the New Testament which has been handed down to us from the beginning. It is the religion of the Apostles of Yeshua, for example, St. Paul says "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion" (1 Tim. 3:16, RSV).

This religion that St. Paul speaks of is the body of Yeshua, the Church, which is called by St. Paul in the previous verse (15) of the same letter as "the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth". This is how YHWH guides His people, through the Church that He setup. This is how we know that the Holy Spirit guarantees that this body of Yeshua will not fall into error, and that there will officially be no contradictions and confusion. The Holy Spirit who is truth will guide the Church "into all the truth" (John 16:13).

Catholics await the second coming of Yeshua the King of kings who will take to Himself His beloved bride the Church, and will say to her "Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt. 25:34), and will say to the wicked, the immoral who refuse the love of YHWH "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt. 25:41).

Pray to YHWH that He will help you see the truth of His body the Church, so that together we can in unity await our Yeshua. The Church of Yeshua loves you.

YHWH bless you,

Rony

Edited January 26, 2007 by Rony Odish

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1176436' date='Jan 26 2007, 12:39 AM']
Cmom, you're kidding right.

Solomon probably had hundreds of children with his heathen wives. That kind of family tree goes on for centuries, even millenium.

And the fact many people say that would go a great deal to prove why the bible calls their families the Mystery of Babylon.

How could such a families trace their roots so far back? Sounds like a mystery to me. A mystery because they have hidden it well, and so we dismiss such things, while they work in secret bringing the kingdom of their master into reality, the Kingdom of the Anti-Christ.

And I would think you'd want someone to shift that prophecy from the Roman Catholic Church to point out the real threat.
[/quote]

We have been studying prophecy for 2000 years remember. And it really doesn't matter what mere men do can. . All families go back to Adam and Eve, even DNA proves that.
Nations come and nations go, the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ remains.

[color="#CC0000"]God is in charge[/color]

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Rony Odish' post='1176551' date='Jan 26 2007, 02:48 AM']
FullTruth,

The passage in Samuel is referring to Israel's desire of a king who will govern them "like all the nations" (1 Sam. 8:5, 20). The kings of the nations surrounding Israel were wicked kings, and so YHWH was displeased that Israel was desiring to be like all these nations, instead of the special holy nation that YHWH wanted them to be. They weren't seeking of YHWH a "man after his own heart" (1 Sam. 13:14) like King David was.[/quote]

That is exactly what I am talking about. I don't think many of the world's leaders are men after YHWH's heart anymore. I have to suffer their holy crusades against both Christanity and Islam.

Watch the video I provided, and you will see why I consider the world leaders who are not men after YHWH's heart anymore. They are controlled by a bunch of bankers who want one-world governement, a buzz word they call the New World Order. You've all heard of it. It's bad news, period. It is the Kingdom of the Anti-Christ. So all of our nations are controlled by people who want the Kingdom fo the Anti-Christ. Would then our leaders have heart's after YHWH, and not fight what these men want. Only one leader in recent history tried to do that, and he ended up assassinated. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He's a man after YHWH's heart. Not George W. Bush. Not Osama Bin Laden. Not Saddam Hussien. Not Steven Harper.

I've only talked to a few politicians that I would say are men after YHWH's heart, and each one I have voted for proudly.

There is nothing wrong with having a king so long as he is a holy king, a king who does the will of YHWH, a king whom YHWH will rule through, just as, how YHWH ruled through the Judges. But again, this is not what Israel was looking for, because they wanted to be not a holy nation set apart, but a nation like all the other wicked nations.

[quote name='Rony Odish' post='1176551' date='Jan 26 2007, 02:48 AM']
In our modern time, we know that we have to obey the leaders of our countries even though they may be wicked sometimes in their lives, but if they ask us to do something against the will of YHWH, then we will disobey (like for example if they ask us to abort our babies so that we keep the population down), because we would rather obey YHWH than sin. In things that don't cause us to sin, then we are to obey them because "there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God" (Rom. 13:1).[/quote]

Exactly what I am saying here. I obey YHWH and his laws and by doing so, I obey the laws of the land and the authorities in the land when they are in agreement with YHWH, but not for the sake of obeying the authorites and laws of the land but for YHWH's sake. So I obey and reject human authority at the same time.

[quote name='Rony Odish' post='1176551' date='Jan 26 2007, 02:48 AM']
I know you said that you will obey the laws of society if they are in agreement with YHWH's laws, and that's good. However, you have to figure out from the Holy Bible exactly which laws are in agreement with YHWH's laws and which ones are not. But since you are not an infallible authority, you could make a mistake and misinterpret the Bible. You might think that the Holy Spirit is guiding you to a certain interpretation, where in fact, it might just be your own spirit. If YHWH's Holy Spirit is guiding each person in an individual interpretation of the Bible, than we would expect all of these individuals, who claim that the Holy Spirit is guiding them to interpret the Bible, to all agree on what the Bible says. But, we don't see that happening, in fact, we see many contradictions in the interpretations of people who make this claim. Of course, the Holy Spirit can not be the author of this confusion, it must then mean that some people's own spirits are guiding them, and some others are probably being guided by the evil spirit who is the "father of lies" (John 8:44).

Catholics have the benefit of the Catholic Church's Magisterim (Teaching Office of the Pope and Bishops in unity with him) which YHWH setup to help us interpret the Bible correctly when necessary in an offical manner, and in order to help us know which are YHWH's laws and which are not. YHWH's Holy Spirit rules through this Catholic Church, which is called the Body of Yeshua (Ysho' in Aramaic). This faith called Catholic Christianity is in fact a religion that YHWH setup, the religion of the New Testament which has been handed down to us from the beginning. It is the religion of the Apostles of Yeshua, for example, St. Paul says "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion" (1 Tim. 3:16, RSV).

This religion that St. Paul speaks of is the body of Yeshua, the Church, which is called by St. Paul in the previous verse (15) of the same letter as "the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth". This is how YHWH guides His people, through the Church that He setup. This is how we know that the Holy Spirit guarantees that this body of Yeshua will not fall into error, and that there will officially be no contradictions and confusion. The Holy Spirit who is truth will guide the Church "into all the truth" (John 16:13).

Catholics await the second coming of Yeshua the King of kings who will take to Himself His beloved bride the Church, and will say to her "Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Matt. 25:34), and will say to the wicked, the immoral who refuse the love of YHWH "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt. 25:41).

Pray to YHWH that He will help you see the truth of His body the Church, so that together we can in unity await our Yeshua. The Church of Yeshua loves you.

YHWH bless you,

Rony[/quote]

That is the most loving answer to my claims yet. You show forth the love of our father who is in heaven.

YHWH bless you Rony.

I leave you with this.

Men after YHWH's heart say that 6-day creationism is the truth, and will stay true to it.

If Pope Benedict says, 6-day creationism is the only interpretation of YHWH, will you be ready to obey.

Similarly, if Pope Benedict says a chip stuff that the Protestants keep on going on about is false. It is okay for Catholics to recieve this chip, because the Mark of the Beast is a tatoo on the head of the Anti-Christ. Will you be ready to disobey?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1176610' date='Jan 26 2007, 09:43 AM']
We have been studying prophecy for 2000 years remember. And it really doesn't matter what mere men do can. . All families go back to Adam and Eve, even DNA proves that.
Nations come and nations go, the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ remains.

[color="#CC0000"]God is in charge[/color]
[/quote]
And this is an arugement for my debate how?

That is really confusing.

Here' I am sticking up for the Catholic Church, and you're arguing me about it.

Study the men above, and watch the video. They are in control, pure and simple. The reason why they are in control is all our nations are in debt to them for the loans they take from them to operate our countries.

Since the borrower is servant to the lender, we have a bunch of evil men running the show, leading us to one-world govenment, the kingdom of their master - The Kingdom of the Anti-Christ.

Prophecy fulfilled, pure and simple.

I agree that YHWH is in charge too, because he is. Those men can do whatever they want but they have already lost. They no longer control me, so they have lost against me. I hope you watch the video above and then get interested in these families. When you study them like I have, you will realized what I am saying. We can't trust our leadership anymore, because these men are in control. The Rothschilds are worth and estimated $600 trillion. That is enough that if we liquidated all their assests, every single person in the world would have $100,000 to their name. And you don't think they are powerful enough to control the nations?

YHWH expects all the believers to separate ourselves from the world they have created and put the enemies of Yeshua under Yeshua's feet. I'm not the enemy, people like David Rockefeller and the Rothschilds are. Time to go into our prayer rooms and enter into spiritual warfare against them, while we go out and tell people these are the real enemies, so all can come together in unity to fight those sicko nut jobs by submitting our wills only to the authority of YHWH and the laws of YHWH.

Edited January 26, 2007 by FullTruth

[beatty07]

don't have time to read the whole thread, but one comment on the original post:

If it isn't a "way of life," then it isn't real religion.
My religion and my way of life are inseparable.

There's this new thing going on where people redefine religion and then slam it. Religion has always meant the way you relate to and worship God (or gods). It's etymologically based in the concept of binding, of tying together, of unifying. Well, now everybody wants to redefine it as something like "external forms and traditions extraneous to your relationship and worship of God." Then they start putting it down. I cry foul. If you have a relationship with God, if God affects your life in any way whatsoever, if you ever undertake the worship of God, then you, my friend, have a religion. And I should certainly hope that it is a way of life.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1176468' date='Jan 26 2007, 01:07 AM']
All well and good but how? Without a Head to decide when the two sides will not, how can the body work?

ps

It is good of you to think good of Catholics
[/quote]
I can accept the authority of the Pope, because I accept the authority of YHWH. YHWH put the pope here for a reason.

Right now, he says we should be praying for missionaries in Africa.

Have you heard of Darfur, and the ethnic cleansing going on there. I am for praying for missionaires of Christ to go into that country and bring peace and prosperity there.

I will obey everything that the Pope asks us to do, as long as he doesn't ask something that would be against YHWH. Who knows, he might never ask. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I'm not against Catholics, I'm against sicko nut jobs like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, who control the UN to create treaties that force homosexuality, abortion, and pornography and this idea of global citizens into our lives.

It's funny though. Satan tries to imitate YHWH. YHWH has shown me, if you are to follow him, we must renounce patoritism, for if our love of our countries isn't like hate compared to our love of YHWH, then we shall not inherit the Kingdom. That's scriptural if you want to know.

Yeshua says our love for family, but extending it to love of country wouldn't be such a hard thing to reason out as well.

Satan wants to do the same. He wants us to renounce patoritism, so that we will bow down to a one-world government of sin he controls. He has always tried to be like YHWH, and imitate YHWH. And just as Yeshua said if our love for our family is like hate compared to our love for YHWH, we wouldn't take part in the Kingdom.

Satan is also attacking the family. In the society he wants, family should be of no importance either. Funny how Satan takes his ques from YHWH. Tries to imitate him in every way to show he should is like YHWH.

[quote name='beatty07' post='1176770' date='Jan 26 2007, 01:02 PM']
don't have time to read the whole thread, but one comment on the original post:

If it isn't a "way of life," then it isn't real religion.
My religion and my way of life are inseparable.

There's this new thing going on where people redefine religion and then slam it. Religion has always meant the way you relate to and worship God (or gods). It's etymologically based in the concept of binding, of tying together, of unifying. Well, now everybody wants to redefine it as something like "external forms and traditions extraneous to your relationship and worship of God." Then they start putting it down. I cry foul. If you have a relationship with God, if God affects your life in any way whatsoever, if you ever undertake the worship of God, then you, my friend, have a religion. And I should certainly hope that it is a way of life.
[/quote]
I love the definition, but definitions are ideals that reality rarely meets up with.

We can agree that Popes have been wrong in the past. We have unholy wars like the Crusades and the Spanish Inquistion. Popes said that Mary Magdalen was a prostitute, and then other Popes say that she wasn't and they were in error. Popes said the world is flat, and that the Earth was in the center of the Universe, and imprision men for showing us scientific truth. Popes are human, and can be in error.

I've often joked about this.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40:22.

I guess the Pope at the time should have read this scripture before he said the world was flat and not round.

Popes can be wrong, because Popes are human. They are not YHWH. They can interpret the Bible wrong.

I don't look for that anymore, but the fruits of the spirit.

Pope Benedict seems like a good man, and a man after YHWH's heart. I will observe what he says, until he says something that is against YHWH.

Good men can make mistakes, but evil men will not admit the mistakes they make.

Edited January 26, 2007 by FullTruth

[cmotherofpirl]

We can agree that Popes have been wrong in the past. We have unholy wars like the Crusades and the Spanish Inquistion. Popes said that Mary Magdalen was a prostitute, and then other Popes say that she wasn't and they were in error. Popes said the world is flat, and that the Earth was in the center of the Universe, and imprision men for showing us scientific truth. Popes are human, and can be in error.
I guess the Pope at the time should have read this scripture before he said the world was flat and not round.

[color="#3333FF"]No we cannot agree that the Popes have been wrong in the past. Popes cannot be wrong on faith or morals. THe Catholic Crusades were not bad things. The Spanish Inquisition was not what you probably think it was. THe identity of St. Mary Magdelen has never been resolved, she could or could not have been a prostitute, what she became was a saint. Galileo was not in prison, and it wasn't cause he said te world was round [ that was common knowledge] he wanted to edit Genesis.[/color]
[color="#3366FF"]The Pope is not a scientist and didn't say the world was flat. [/color]

Popes can be wrong, because Popes are human. They are not YHWH. They can interpret the Bible wrong.

[color="#3333FF"]Popes are not wrong when they speak on faith or morals.[/color]

I don't look for that anymore, but the fruits of the spirit.

Pope Benedict seems like a good man, and a man after YHWH's heart. I will observe what he says, until he says something that is against YHWH.

[color="#3333FF"]Remember the Bible is a Catholic book, and came from the Church.[/color]

Good men can make mistakes, but evil men will not admit the mistakes they make.
[/quote]

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1176857' date='Jan 26 2007, 03:41 PM']
We can agree that Popes have been wrong in the past. We have unholy wars like the Crusades and the Spanish Inquistion. Popes said that Mary Magdalen was a prostitute, and then other Popes say that she wasn't and they were in error. Popes said the world is flat, and that the Earth was in the center of the Universe, and imprision men for showing us scientific truth. Popes are human, and can be in error.
I guess the Pope at the time should have read this scripture before he said the world was flat and not round.

[color="#3333FF"]No we cannot agree that the Popes have been wrong in the past. Popes cannot be wrong on faith or morals. THe Catholic Crusades were not bad things. The Spanish Inquisition was not what you probably think it was. THe identity of St. Mary Magdelen has never been resolved, she could or could not have been a prostitute, what she became was a saint. Galileo was not in prison, and it wasn't cause he said te world was round [ that was common knowledge] he wanted to edit Genesis.[/color]

[color="#3366FF"]The Pope is not a scientist and didn't say the world was flat. [/color]

Popes can be wrong, because Popes are human. They are not YHWH. They can interpret the Bible wrong.

[color="#3333FF"]Popes are not wrong when they speak on faith or morals.[/color]

[color="#999999"]I pray that you are right. Everybody should pray for him, for every human being battles with the flesh. Nothing is guarenteed.[/color]

I don't look for that anymore, but the fruits of the spirit.

Pope Benedict seems like a good man, and a man after YHWH's heart. I will observe what he says, until he says something that is against YHWH.

[color="#3333FF"]Remember the Bible is a Catholic book, and came from the Church.[/color]

[color="#999999"]Yes I will. Thank you for preserving the truth for the generations, though through translations and omissions, it has been corrupted to keep us from all truth. Praise YHWH that he has the spirit that can fill in the gaps.[/color]

Good men can make mistakes, but evil men will not admit the mistakes they make.
[/quote]
I admire your faith cmom.

I hope that the Pope does not falter, for your and every catholic's sake. It would be ruin for you if he has not a heart for YHWH, and cause you to sin.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote]Popes said the world is flat.[/quote]Just FYI, that's not actually true. Quoting the Wiki ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth"]link[/url]):[quote]By the time of Pliny the Elder in the 1st century, however, the Earth's spherical shape was generally acknowledged among the learned in the western world. Around then Ptolemy derived his maps from a curved globe and developed the system of latitude, longitude, and climes. His writings remained the basis of European astronomy throughout the Middle Ages, although Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages (ca. 3rd to 7th centuries) saw occasional arguments in favor of a flat Earth.

The modern misconception that people of the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat first entered the popular imagination in the nineteenth century, thanks largely to the publication of Washington Irving's fantasy The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus in 1828.[/quote]

Edit: Kinda confused by the colored text...not easy to see which text is quoted and which is the poster's.

Edited January 26, 2007 by Mateo el Feo

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1176874' date='Jan 26 2007, 03:56 PM']
I admire your faith cmom.

I hope that the Pope does not falter, for your and every catholic's sake. It would be ruin for you if he has not a heart for YHWH, and cause you to sin.
[/quote]
The Pope cannot make one sin. No one can make you sin. Sin is a personal choice, just like hell.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1176907' date='Jan 26 2007, 04:23 PM']
The Pope cannot make one sin. No one can make you sin. Sin is a personal choice, just like hell.
[/quote]

Good, I am glad we can agree.

Authority should be trusted only as far as what YHWH says.

I pose this question to you cmom.

If Pope Benedict said the whole Verichip thing the Protestants keep complaining about is false, and catholics can take the chip because the Mark of the Beast is a 666 tatooed in the head of the Anti-Christ, I hope you say to him, you are wrong and I will not believe.

This is a possiblity, and I only leave this as a possiblity to warn you.

EVERY BAR CODE AND RFID CHIP has an embeded 666 in them, so they are the Mark and System of the Beast.