Barack Obama

[Akalyte]

barack obama is a muslim masquerading as a christian campaigning for the presidency of the US of A so if he wins there will be a islamic flag over the whitehouse by 2010.

[cmotherofpirl]

I doubt that.
He is a politican before he is anything else.

[homeschoolmom]

Um... you gotta link or something?

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1190651' date='Feb 10 2007, 10:17 AM']
barack obama is a muslim masquerading as a christian campaigning for the presidency of the US of A so if he wins there will be a islamic flag over the whitehouse by 2010.
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You know, I'm not a big fan of Barack either, but I think there are enough REAL things to not be happy about that I don't need to make up things.

[suuran]

I'm not so worried about that.

What I'm worried about is that he's a talking suit with a winning smile who has nothing to offer except platitudes and whose opinions only reflect what he thinks will get him the most power.

I haven't read enough about him to know if that's entirely true, mind--but it's what I'm afraid of.

[dairygirl4u2c]

i second terra.

what does terra firma mean? i overhead it discussed when there was talk of aliens once. i think it might be a planet or star, but i couldn't find it.

[Sojourner]

Terra Firma = solid ground

[philosophette]

[quote name='Jalazar' post='1190689' date='Feb 10 2007, 12:16 PM']
I'm not so worried about that.

What I'm worried about is that he's a talking suit with a winning smile who has nothing to offer except platitudes and whose opinions only reflect what he thinks will get him the most power.

I haven't read enough about him to know if that's entirely true, mind--but it's what I'm afraid of.
[/quote]


Ummm... and what would that make Bush?

[kujo]

I am a Roman Catholic. I am a registered Republican. I am pro-life.

Barak Hussein Obama is none of those things; however, I have to say that I find myself drawn to him as a candidate. He is young, charismatic and intelligent. Read his 2 books and you'll find yourself nodding your head in approval more often than not. And, like it or not, his stance on Iraq--firmly opposed to it to begin with, even more firmly opposed to a troop surge-- is a non-issue because the next president of our country will be taking us out of there anyway.

When you look at the political landscape that is the 2008 presidential election, you see that there will not be much to choose from in terms of pro-life candidates. While it's true that Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas is running (and will get my vote in my state's primaries), most news outlets and political analysts agree that it will probably be some combination of Obama/Hillary vs McCain/Giuliani. And, sadly, none of those 4 people are pro-life. Furthermore, they are all pro-gay marriage as well.

So what are we to do as Catholics, called to vote with our morals in the forefront of our decisions? I believe that we should vote on the person who can take our country in the best direction, despite our disagreements with some of the candidates' views. And, speaking personally, I would never vote for Hillary Clinton, I would have a hard-time casting a conscientious-vote for Giuliani, and I happen to believe that McCain is a) too old and b) too unreliable in his views (he's what my dad and I call a R.I.N.O--a Republican In Name Only). And, if circumstances play out in the way that most people believe they will, that leaves me with two choices: vote for Obama, or don't vote at all.

You may not agree with what he has to say, but you cannot deny that his rise to presidential candidacy has been meteoric to say the least. I encourage you to research this guy a bit, get a hold of one or both of his books, and let yourself be engaged by a politician who, for once, has a cohesive thought rather than a plate full of ideologically-driven talking-points.

P.S.- Whoever said he was a Muslim "masquerading as a Christian" so that he can become President and "fly a Muslim flag" over the White House is ignorant beyond words. If you don't like a candidate...say so. Don't make outlandish, insipid assertions that make no sense.

P.P.S.- I didn't know there was a Muslim flag anyway!

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]P.P.S.- I didn't know there was a Muslim flag anyway![/quote]

Neither did I.

[kujo]

Hey. I urge everyone here to read [url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251292,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/youdecide2008"]Obama's Announcement[/url] from this morning.

[Didymus]

Obama would be as bad as if not WORSE than hilary.

He is not only pro-choice. He is a rediculous baby-killer. He's been criticized (though lightly) by NARAL because he was more anti-baby than even them.

[quote name='philosobrat' post='1190727' date='Feb 10 2007, 01:23 PM']
Ummm... and what would that make Bush?
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dont forget about the unborn victims of violence. Obama would have NEVER done what Bush did.

Edited February 10, 2007 by Didymus

[kujo]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1190746' date='Feb 10 2007, 02:58 PM']
Obama would be as bad as if not WORSE than hilary.

He is not only pro-choice. He is a rediculous baby-killer. He's been criticized (though lightly) by NARAL because he was more anti-baby than even them.
dont forget about the unborn victims of violence. Obama would have NEVER done what Bush did.
[/quote]

Can you substantiate any of these claims? Links to statements, etc.? And what exactly has Bush done that is so great?

Edited February 10, 2007 by kujo

[cmotherofpirl]

Obama is 100% pro-abortion.
There are also many sites who point out all the lies in his books.

Newspeople are acting like its the Second Coming or something when they describe him. blah

Maybe when he grows up and has some experience, we can judge him better,
but certainly not now.

[kujo]

His inexperience is a legitimate concern of mine and most other people.

I understand that he is pro-abortion. It is the only thing that is holding me back from casting my full support to him. But look at Giuliani and McCain....they're both pro-abortion as well. So what if they're not "100% pro-abortion?" Where is the line the delineates how much support for abortion is allowed before we will not vote for a candidate?

[cmotherofpirl]

If a candidate is pro-abortion he is not even on my slate of candidates.

How can you vote for a man with no experience?
Who do you think will be pulling his strings?

[kujo]

Again, I ask you this...if our 2 choices for the Presidential election of 2008 are both pro-abortion, [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=64411&pid=1190777&st=0&#entry1190777"]what will you do?[/url]

Barak Obama would not be the first "inexperienced" President we've had in our history. Kennedy was young....George Washington never held a single elected office. In fact, the mere fact that Obama is a US Senator is an oddity, for only 5 of the past 19 presidents have served in the Senate, and only 3 more have served in the House of Representatives.

Would you rather have an entrenched, K-street bureaucrat on the White House (such as Johnsonville brat Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld), or a relative-newbie with motivation to make changes?

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='kujo' post='1190754' date='Feb 10 2007, 02:06 PM']
And what exactly has Bush done that is so great?
[/quote]
We can be happy about the partial birth abortion ban and two seemingly pro-life (and Catholic) justices on the Supreme Court. I say seemingly since we do not not for sure how they would vote. If they are pro-life, as everyone seems to think, it is my understanding that the pro-abortion majority on the court has been cut by one since his taking office.

[kujo]

[quote name='thedude' post='1190822' date='Feb 10 2007, 04:13 PM']
We can be happy about the partial birth abortion ban and two seemingly pro-life (and Catholic) justices on the Supreme Court. I say seemingly since we do not not for sure how they would vote. If they are pro-life, as everyone seems to think, it is my understanding that the pro-abortion majority on the court has been cut by one since his taking office.
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Here's the thing about the justices...it really doesn't matter that they are pro-life. Samuel Alito and John Roberts now sit on the Supreme Court ruling based on current laws in our country. Overturning Roe v. Wade and or any other abortion rulings without proper Constitutional precedence would be a tremendous use of judicial activism, the same sort of judicial activism that gave us these decisions in the first place.

Time will tell whether Alito and Roberts will live up to their hype. They seem to be intelligent, qualified guys who would not allow their personal-biases to affect the way they interpret the law. That is what's most important.

[Didymus]

Here is the difference. We know Bush signed the unborn victims of violence bill through and we know he's signed the ban on partial birth abortion. A republican candidate is less likely to go out of his way to reverse this when he reaches office because it was established by a republican predecessor.

not to mention, guess who else was involved in banning partial birth abortion:

McCAIN

he was even voting against it when Clinton was in office. Look at his record.

I urge you not to take a step back in the protection of the unborn, but rather at least keep the country where we are on this issue so that we may progress forward, and not back.

"On abortion, Obama voted against a measure designed to protect what supporters termed live babies born during abortion procedures."
[url="http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2007/01/obamas_record.html"]http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2...mas_record.html[/url]

Edited February 10, 2007 by Didymus