Are Vaccines Really Safe?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1192557' date='Feb 12 2007, 03:41 PM']
There are numerous doctors who disagree with vaccines. If you bothered to read the interview, you'd see why he couldn't state his real name.
[/quote]
I see his excuse.

[Urib2007]

[center][color="#990000"][size=5]VACCINATION ARTICLES AND TESTIMONIES BY MEDICAL DOCTORS[/size] [/color][/center]

[url="http://whale.to/vaccine/articles4.html"]http://whale.to/vaccine/articles4.html[/url]

[cmotherofpirl]

[url="http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2001/401_vacc.html"]http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2001/401_vacc.html[/url]

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1192557' date='Feb 12 2007, 03:41 PM']There are numerous doctors who disagree with vaccines. If you bothered to read the interview, you'd see why he couldn't state his real name.[/quote]Let me quote the description of the magazine that you linked to:[quote]NEXUS is an international bi-monthly alternative news magazine, covering the fields of: Health Alternatives; Suppressed Science; Earth's Ancient Past; UFOs & the Unexplained; and Government Cover-Ups. [/quote]So, basically, I've got to make the connection that the vaccine conspiracy is happening because of the evil governments and corporations, which only wield power because they inherited it from ancient civilizations which were also controlled by aliens that arrived thousands of years ago to enslave humanity and run human institutions from the comfort of their UFOs.

And I suppose I could fight this conspiracy by supporting and eating organic produce and avoiding vaccinations, which will allow me to live to be ~200 years old, something that the corporations, the government, and the aliens would never want me to do.

Do you see why this stuff is a little hard for us to swallow?

[Urib2007]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1192531' date='Feb 12 2007, 12:12 PM']
Will you let the child get the tetnus shot, or are going to watch the child die as every muscle in the childs body tenses to its full potential?
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Since I'm not a doctor, I'll post this article written by a qualified doctor regarding tetanus.

[size=4]Tetanus Vaccination[/size]

by Dr Mendelsohn MD

[color="#000000"]You have every right to closely question me on the tetanus vaccine, since that was the last vaccine I abandoned. It wasn’t hard for me to give up vaccines for whooping cough, measles, and rubella because of their disabling and sometimes deadly side effects. The mumps vaccine, a high—risk, low—benefit product, struck me and plenty of other doctors as silly from the moment it was introduced. Arguments for the diphtheria vaccine were vitiated by epidemics during the past 15 years which showed the same death rate and the same severity of illness in those who were vaccinated vs. those who were not vaccinated. As for smallpox, even the government finally gave up that vaccine in 1970, and I gave up on the polio vaccine when Jonas Salk showed that the best way to catch polio in the United States was to be near a child who recently had taken the Sabin vaccine. But the tetanus vaccine exercised a hold on me for a much longer time.

As you point out, I gave up belief in this vaccine in stages. For a while, I still held onto the notion that farm families and people who work around stables should continue to take tetanus shots. But in spite of my early indoctrination with fear of "rusty nails," in recent years, I have developed a greater fear of the hypodermic needle. My reasons are:

1) Scientific evidence shows that too—frequent tetanus boosters actually may interfere with the immune reaction.

2) There has been a gradual retreat of even the most conservative authorities from giving tetanus boosters every one year to every two years to every five years to every 10 years (as now recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics), and according to some, every 20 years. All these numbers are based on guesses rather than on hard scientific evidence.

3) There has been a growing recognition that no controlled scientific study (in which half the patients were given the vaccine and the other half were given injections of sterile water) has ever been carried out to prove the safety and effectiveness of the tetanus vaccine. Evidence for the vaccine comes from epidemiologic studies which are by nature controversial and which do not satisfy the criteria for scientific proof.

4) The tetanus vaccine over the decades has been progressively weakened in order to reduce the considerable reaction (fever and swelling) it used to cause. Accompanying this reduction in reactivity has been a concomitant reduction in antigenicity (the ability to confer protection). Therefore, there is a good chance that today’s tetanus vaccine is about as effective as tap water.

5) Until the last few years, government statistics admitted that 40 percent of the child population of the U.S. was not immunized. For all those decades, where were the tetanus cases from all those rusty nails?

6) There now exists a growing theoretical concern which links immunizations to the huge increase in recent decades of auto—immune diseases, e.g., rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus erythematosus, lymphoma, and leukemia. In one case, Guillain—Barre paralysis from swine flu vaccine, the relationship turned out to be more than just theoretical.

In preparing my courtroom testimony on behalf of a child who allegedly was brain—damaged as a result of the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus) vaccine, I reviewed the prescribing information (package insert) for the Connaught Laboratories product which was administered to this child. The 1975 and.1977 package insert information which measured seven—and—a—half inches long listed three scientific references in support of the indications, contraindications, warnings, cautions, and adverse reactions to this vaccine. By 1978, the length of the insert had grown to 13 1/2 inches, and the number of scientific references had increased to 11. By 1980, the package insert was 18 inches long, and the references numbered 14. Of those newly—added references, seven (three from U.S. medical journals and four from foreign medical journals) dealt specifically with reactions to the tetanus DPT portion of the (toxoid) vaccine.

An article in the Archives of Neurology (1972) described brachial plexus neuropathy (which can lead to paralysis of the arm) prom tetanus toxoi Four patients who received only tetanus toxoid noticed the onset of limb weak ness from six to 21 days after the inoculation. A 1966 article published in the Journal of the American Medical Association reports the first case of "Peripheral Neuropathy .following Tetanus Toxoid Administration." A 23—year— old white medical student received an injection of tetanus toxoid into his rightupper arm after an abrasion of the right knee while playing tennis. Several hours later, he developed a wrist drop of his right hand. He later suffered from complete motor and sensory paralysis over the distribution of the right radial nerve (one of the major nerves innervating the arm and hand) One month later, no residual motor or sensory deficit could be found.

Reference is made to an article in the Journal of Neurology, 1977, entitled "Unusual Neurological Complication following Tetanus Toxoid Administration." The author reports a 36—year—old female who received tetatus toxoid in her left upper arm following a wound to her finger. Five days later, she noticed a weakness first of the right, and then of the left and later of both legs. She complained of dizziness, instability, lethargy, chest discomfort, difficulty in swallowing, and inarticulate speech. S staggered when she walked, and she could take only a few steps. Her EEG showed some abnormalities. After a month, she was discharged without neurologic disturbance, but she continued to feel weak and anxious. Examinations during the next 11 months showed continued emotional instability and some paresthesias (numbness and tingling) in the extremities. The medical diagnosis was "a rapidly progressing neuropathy with involvement of cranial nerves, myelopathy, and encephalopathy."

The Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology, 1973, carried an article entitled "Hypersensitivity to Tetanus Toxoid," and in a volume entitled "Proceedings of the II International Conference on Tetanus" (published by Hans Huber, Bern, Switzerland, 1967), an article appeared entitled "Clinical Reactions to Tetanus Toxoid."

A 44—year—old article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (1940) was entitled "Allergy Induced by Immunization with Tetanus Toxoid." That same year, an article in the British Medical Journal reported on "Anaphylaxis (a form of shock) following Administration of Tetanus Toxoid." In 1969, a German medical journal reported a case of paralysis of the recurrent laryngeal nerve (the nerve to the voicebox) after a booster injection of tetanus toxoid. The patient developed hoarseness and was unable to speak loudly, but the nerve paralysis subsided completely after approximately two months.

Should your doctor reassure you that tetanus vaccine is completely safe, or that "the benefits outweigh the risks," or that you should have a shot "just in case," why not share these citations with him?[/color]

[Mateo el Feo]

PS: oversized fonts and red colors aren't too persuasive.

[Urib2007]

You can watch this short clip from a Dr. Mercola where he speaks about vaccines.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcF7zHjsbUE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcF7zHjsbUE[/url]

[cmotherofpirl]

Have yuo ever seen an animal with tetanus?
Would you wish that on a human?

If you ever step on a rusty metal object are you gonna refuse a shot? how strong on your principles if it was your life or your childs?

[Urib2007]

Don't you find it odd that some doctors are coming out against vaccines?

[Didymus]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1192587' date='Feb 12 2007, 03:19 PM']
Don't you find it odd that some doctors are coming out against vaccines?
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not particularly. Doctors are all over the spectrum on different issues.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1192587' date='Feb 12 2007, 04:19 PM']
Don't you find it odd that some doctors are coming out against vaccines?
[/quote]
Medical training is no guarantee to ethics. morals, or intelligence.

[avemaria40]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1192557' date='Feb 12 2007, 03:41 PM']
There are numerous doctors who disagree with vaccines. If you bothered to read the interview, you'd see why he couldn't state his real name.
[/quote]
When my grandparents were growing up, many doctors encouraged them to smoke cigarettes. When my grandmother's generation was having children, numerous doctors discouraged mothers from breastfeeding. Doctors today over prescribe the birth control pill, even though it has carcinogenic side effects. The FDA has to recall so many different kinds of medication because of dangerous side effects. There are doctors who agree and disagree with a lot of things.

I hate that they make vaccines from aborted children, and I disagree that nine-year-old girls "have to" get an HPV vaccine (one they have not studied), however I am not against vaccines (the ones that aren't made from aborted babies that is). Vaccines are proven to help children. Yes, they have side effects, but doesn't any medication? The novacane they give me on Thursday, when I have a tooth extraction, could have side effects. So could the pain killers they give me afterwards. Does that mean I should let them do it without painkillers? Antibiotics could have side effects, should I neglect to take those when the doctor gives them to me?

Until the NIH starts warning people against vaccines, I plan on getting whatever shots the doctor tells me I need (except the HPV one, until they do more studies on it)

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1192587' date='Feb 12 2007, 03:19 PM']
Don't you find it odd that [b]some[/b] doctors are coming out against vaccines?
[/quote]
No. There are educators who are against phonics, memorizing math facts and reading classic Western literature, too. But that doesn't mean I have to be.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1192587' date='Feb 12 2007, 03:19 PM']
Don't you find it odd that some doctors are coming out against vaccines?
[/quote]
Don't you find it odd that there are also doctors out there who kill babies? Don't you find it odd that there are doctors out there who kill adults? Don't you find it odd that there are doctors out there that commit fraud? Don't you find it odd that doctors are human and therefore open to human error?

[Fixxxer]

Isn't it weird that when i get the flu shot i dont get the flu. Or i'll tell you something thats even more weird... i got the chicken pox shot when i was a baby and never got that yet and i'm 17. Maybe this vaccines really work.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Fixxxer' post='1193239' date='Feb 13 2007, 01:18 AM']
Isn't it weird that when i get the flu shot i dont get the flu. Or i'll tell you something thats even more weird... i got the chicken pox shot when i was a baby and never got that yet and i'm 17. Maybe this vaccines really work.
[/quote]


Thats just wild wild stuff!

High OOOoo!

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Fixxxer' post='1193239' date='Feb 13 2007, 12:18 AM']
Isn't it weird that when i get the flu shot i dont get the flu. Or i'll tell you something thats even more weird... i got the chicken pox shot when i was a baby and never got that yet and i'm 17. Maybe this vaccines really work.
[/quote]
And isn't it weird that vaccinations were discovered because when people got cowpox, (which is similar to, but far less fatal than, smallpox) they didn't die from smallpox?

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Fixxxer' post='1193239' date='Feb 13 2007, 12:18 AM']
Isn't it weird that when i get the flu shot i dont get the flu. Or i'll tell you something thats even more weird... i got the chicken pox shot when i was a baby and never got that yet and i'm 17. Maybe this vaccines really work.
[/quote]
Isn't it weird that I [i]don't[/i] get the flu shot and I [i]don't[/i] get the flu? so odd....its also funny how they just pick one strain of the flu to vaccinate you against. Well its such a fatal disease to people around our age, I can totally understand why you would get it :

[KnightofChrist]

I've never liked squirrels sneaky little buggers, their the ones behind this whole NWO thing... they dont want us to have flu shots so we get sick and they take over!!!

Edited February 13, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[MissScripture]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1193267' date='Feb 13 2007, 12:54 AM']
Isn't it weird that I [i]don't[/i] get the flu shot and I [i]don't[/i] get the flu? so odd....its also funny how they just pick one strain of the flu to vaccinate you against. Well its such a fatal disease to people around our age, I can totally understand why you would get it :
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Hey! Those of us with messed up bodies need all the help we can get! :