Ora et Labora Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 their cool people, i also have to admit. i personally find myself have the Franciscan personality like my sis, but the dominicans are definitely great people to get to know!
Totus Tuus Posted March 17, 2007 Author Posted March 17, 2007 Well, a big misconception is that Franciscans and Dominicans are very [i]different[/i]. They are NOT, however! The true spirit of both Orders is supposed to be very similar. Unfortunately, they have grown apart over the years. Their spirits are kindred, as they are both the "mendicant" (begging) Orders, and their founders (Sts. Francis and Dominic) were [i]friends[/i]! The Sister Servants, for example, are striving to bring back the unity which is meant to exist in the hearts of both Orders: they are really supposed to be of one heart, carrying out their unique missions in different ways, of course, but reserving the friendship and original purposes which existed when they were founded. The Dominicans have become rather starstruck with education, overly much in many cases, which has been part of the reason the Orders have grown apart. However, this impediment doesn't exist with the Marbury Dominicans. They are very simple-hearted, and although they treasure study (for the right reasons!), they don't overvalue it and allow it to be a source of pride.
Ora et Labora Posted March 17, 2007 Posted March 17, 2007 what are the colors of the benedictines, fransiscans carmelites and fransiscans? sorry, off topic. lol. i was just wondering how one can tell the differencefrom each order...i think i can point the franciscans out though.
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1215139' date='Mar 17 2007, 06:36 PM']The Dominicans have become rather starstruck with education, overly much in many cases, which has been part of the reason the Orders have grown apart. However, this impediment doesn't exist with the Marbury Dominicans. They are very simple-hearted, and although they treasure study (for the right reasons!), they don't overvalue it and allow it to be a source of pride.[/quote] I'm sorry Totus Tuus but that is a misconception about Dominicans. Dominicans have always placed an emphasis on the study of sacred truth from the very beginning. This is not an impediment. It is for preaching the Truth. St. Dominic wanted the first friars to be well educated and even went with them to the unversity in Paris with the first group. Dominican nuns in particular have always valued study as part of their monastic observance. Many OP Friars that I know are brilliant but very down to earth and simple. For example. Fr. Augstine DiNoia who is the under secretary of the CDF is brilliant but he'd rather talk about gardening or mocking birds! The OP friars who are snobbish about their learning are usually not that smart! Franciscans and Dominicans have a teasing relationship. You may not know this but it is traditional for OPs to go to the OSF on the feast of St. Francis and OSF to go to the Dominicans on the feast of St. Dominic. We'll hear the friars saying, "the Franks came over last night!". Unfortunately, there are a lot of Franciscans that have a batty theology. The 2 orders have grown apart somewhat because of different theologies (St Thomas and Duns Scotus). Neither is wrong, it's just a different "take". We have CFR's confessors and you can tell the difference from having our Brothers. It's just a different spirituality.
hoosieranna Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 [quote name='Ora et Labora' post='1215182' date='Mar 17 2007, 07:04 PM']what are the colors of the benedictines, fransiscans carmelites and fransiscans? sorry, off topic. lol. i was just wondering how one can tell the differencefrom each order...i think i can point the franciscans out though. [/quote] These are the basic colors. They do vary by community. Benedictines: black Franciscans: brown Carmelites: brown Dominicans: white Augustinians: white or brown (I think. That one I'm not sure about).
Totus Tuus Posted March 18, 2007 Author Posted March 18, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1215238' date='Mar 17 2007, 09:41 PM']I'm sorry Totus Tuus but that is a misconception about Dominicans.[/quote] Forgive me, Sister, but I received that information from a solid Dominican community. Edited March 18, 2007 by Totus Tuus
Totus Tuus Posted March 18, 2007 Author Posted March 18, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1215238' date='Mar 17 2007, 09:41 PM']Dominicans have always placed an emphasis on the study of sacred truth from the very beginning. This is not an impediment. It is for preaching the Truth. St. Dominic wanted the first friars to be well educated and even went with them to the unversity in Paris with the first group. Dominican nuns in particular have always valued study as part of their monastic observance.[/quote] Yes, this is precisely what I was intending to stress, along with the point that [i]some[/i] Dominicans, from what I have learned, have allowed education to take a higher place than it should have in their lives, causing it to become a source of pride. I am aware of the great value placed on study by the Dominican Order, and am not contradicting that point [quote] Many OP Friars that I know are brilliant but very down to earth and simple. [/quote]Yes! I am acquainted with some of them myself and it is amazing how much good they can do with the knowledge they have obtained through study. That is awesome and I am not contradicting that point, either. [quote] Franciscans and Dominicans have a teasing relationship. You may not know this but it is traditional for OPs to go to the OSF on the feast of St. Francis and OSF to go to the Dominicans on the feast of St. Dominic. We'll hear the friars saying, "the Franks came over last night!".[/quote] Yes, and I love the legend about Saint Francis giving Saint Dominic his belt, and St. Dominic giving St. Francis his chord! When I was at OLAM, we entertained [i]all[/i] the SMME postulants and some of the professed one evening. It was a great example of the underlying friendship of the Orders! [quote] Unfortunately, there are a lot of Franciscans that have a batty theology. [/quote]Yup, never said that wasn't true. Having been one myself I learned of those Franciscans more than a few times. [quote]The 2 orders have grown apart somewhat because of different theologies (St Thomas and Duns Scotus). Neither is wrong, it's just a different "take". We have CFR's confessors and you can tell the difference from having our Brothers. It's just a different spirituality.[/quote] I have never heard this point emphasized as a source of division, although I am aware of the fact that they have different histories in philosophy. I didn't know that they were a source of "growing apart"; I thought they were more complimentary to one another, like Thomas was to Aristotle. Edited March 18, 2007 by Totus Tuus
Totus Tuus Posted March 18, 2007 Author Posted March 18, 2007 [quote name='Nadezhda' post='1215265' date='Mar 17 2007, 10:06 PM']Augustinians: white or brown (I think. That one I'm not sure about).[/quote] I'm not sure about brown (I don't know either!) but I think they are generally white [i]or[/i] black. The Canons Regular that I have met wear black, and the Augustinian Canonesses in CA wear white.
BurkeFan Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 [quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1215238' date='Mar 17 2007, 10:41 PM']Many OP Friars that I know are brilliant but very down to earth and simple. For example. Fr. Augstine DiNoia who is the under secretary of the CDF is brilliant but he'd rather talk about gardening or mocking birds! The OP friars who are snobbish about their learning are usually not that smart![/quote] As I was told, "We are not intellectuals for the sake of being intellectuals."
Totus Tuus Posted March 18, 2007 Author Posted March 18, 2007 (edited) [quote name='BurkeFan' post='1215443' date='Mar 18 2007, 11:34 AM']As I was told, "We are not intellectuals for the sake of being intellectuals." [/quote] Exactly! Say, can you give us any quotes from the Dominican Constitutions on the original intent of study in a friar's life? By the way, are you friends with any of the postulants at the Sister Servants of the Eternal Word in Birmingham? She mentioned a friend in the Easter Province Edited March 18, 2007 by Totus Tuus
BurkeFan Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1215488' date='Mar 18 2007, 03:12 PM']Exactly! Say, can you give us any quotes from the Dominican Constitutions on the original intent of study in a friar's life? By the way, are you friends with any of the postulants at the Sister Servants of the Eternal Word in Birmingham? She mentioned a friend in the Easter Province [/quote] Well, I'm not officially in the Eastern Province yet. They're voting on my application this coming weekend (March 23-24). I'll get back to you on the constitutions. I knew Sr. Jenny (JGirl) a little bit while we were both in St. Louis.
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1215387' date='Mar 18 2007, 07:51 AM']Forgive me, Sister, but I received that information from a solid Dominican community.[/quote] Lauren, I don't know the community you heard this from but I know the monasteries of Nuns very well and I've never heard anything like this from any of them. You said, "The Dominicans have become rather starstruck with education, overly much in many cases." That's quite a broad criticism, especially the word, starstruck. I wonder if the community you mention has not had the benefit of the friars for lectures, etc. All the monasteries cherish the gift of learning that the brothers have and from which they pass on the "fruits of their contemplation" to us. Much of people not living the Faith is from ignorance. In fact, that is one of the huge PLUSES to EWTN--it provides people with an education in the faith that they can't get anywhere else. St. Dominic found when he met the Cathars that people were following them because they were ignorant of their faith. That is the reason why the Order has always valued study. Notice I don't say "education". Dominican don't speak of education but the study of sacred truth. Today, more than ever this knowlege is needed. Dominicans and Franciscans have 2 different ways of preaching and this has been so from the early days. Oh, by the way, there are batty Dominicans, too! From the friars constitution (76-77) " St Dominic included study, ordained to the ministry of the salvation of souls, as an essential part of his plan for the Order. Hence "before all else, study should aim principally and ardently at this: that we might be able to be useful to the souls of our neighbors. " (From the primitive constitution) By study the brethren consider in thier heart the manifold wisdom of God and prepare themselves for the doctrinal service of the Church and of all mankind. It is all the more fitting that they should devote themselves to study, because from the tradtion of the Order they are more specialy called to cultivate mankind's inclination to Truth. There are about 2 more pages on study in the life of the friars. In the beginning of the Order every priory had a lector and every friar was obliged to attend what we would call ongoing formation daily. Even those who were finished with their study and were full time preachers. Forming minds and hearts to adhere to the truth is one of the greatest acts of charity one can do. We are made to seek God.
Totus Tuus Posted March 19, 2007 Author Posted March 19, 2007 Your reply is very informative, Sister; thank you! I will discuss my statement more with said community, but I do trust the source of the information God reward you for taking time to elaborate more on the meaning of study in Dominican life Lauren
BurkeFan Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsVEXWvfSi8"]Fr. Kurt Pritzel, OP on Study and Contemplation in the Dominican Order[/url]
Ora et Labora Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 I don't think my sister met any harm against the Dominicans...in fact I know she didn't! After all, this thread is about her excitement over being able to once more visit a good cloistered [i][/i]Dominican[i][/i] convent.
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 [quote name='Ora et Labora' post='1215862' date='Mar 19 2007, 02:22 PM']I don't think my sister met any harm against the Dominicans...in fact I know she didn't! After all, this thread is about her excitement over being able to once more visit a good cloistered [i][/i]Dominican[i][/i] convent. [/quote] Oh, don't worry! I know that! I certainly didn't think that at all! She's just getting her "training" in being a Dominican! Dominicans are always debating and making distinctions! I felt I had to respond because sacred study is a key element of Dominican life, no matter which branch. For us it is very closely linked to prayer. I hope yuo have a chance to visit Nashville. You will love it. Also, if ANYONE is near a Dominican monastery do make a pilgrimage for the jubilee indulgence! God bless you! SMCatharine
Totus Tuus Posted March 19, 2007 Author Posted March 19, 2007 [quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1215878' date='Mar 19 2007, 01:38 PM']Also, if ANYONE is near a Dominican monastery do make a pilgrimage for the jubilee indulgence![/quote] YES, YES! That is precisely the reason Marbury was eager to have me post this thread!
Ora et Labora Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 [quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1215878' date='Mar 19 2007, 01:38 PM']I hope yuo have a chance to visit Nashville. You will love it.[/quote] thank you.
BurkeFan Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 [quote name='Sr. Mary Catharine' post='1215878' date='Mar 19 2007, 02:38 PM']Also, if ANYONE is near a Dominican monastery do make a pilgrimage for the jubilee indulgence![/quote] Wow, I did not know about the Jubilee Indulgence. Are there any special requirements attached to it?
Sr Mary Catharine OP Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 [quote name='BurkeFan' post='1216436' date='Mar 20 2007, 12:43 PM']Wow, I did not know about the Jubilee Indulgence. Are there any special requirements attached to it?[/quote] The Holy Father gave it to any of the monasteries of Nuns in the world, S. Sabina and St. Dominic's in Bologna. Conditions are praying an our Father and creed and prayers for the pope, confession etc. This goes until Epiphany of 2008. If you go to the US nuns website www.usaopnuns.org you can find the letter to read.
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