dandy777 Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 Kill? Why should a priest kill anyone? Did Jesus order Peter to kill the Jewish soldiers during his arrest in Gethsemane?
Groo the Wanderer Posted February 19, 2007 Posted February 19, 2007 Dunno why one would have to be killded...Seems to me that the simplest method would be to consume the consecrated host oneself... Anyhoo....seriously thinking of responding to these polls with the most outlandish answer when the poll becomes absurd....
philosophette Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Yes, you are protecting Christ, yes it is the true body and blood of christ, but the person cannot kill Christ again. To take someone's life in order to protect the Eucharist would, as Dandy said, be ridiculous. Jesus never commanded anyone to kill to defend him. If one is killed trying to consume the Eucharist to protect It, that is another matter, but to kill to protect the True Presence?!
Mary-Kathryn Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1200019' date='Feb 18 2007, 09:48 PM']ty[/quote]
MissScripture Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1200863' date='Feb 19 2007, 07:09 PM']Yes, you are protecting Christ, yes it is the true body and blood of christ, but the person cannot kill Christ again. To take someone's life in order to protect the Eucharist would, as Dandy said, be ridiculous. Jesus never commanded anyone to kill to defend him. If one is killed trying to consume the Eucharist to protect It, that is another matter, but to kill to protect the True Presence?! [/quote] Yes, I'd agree. You shouldn't kill to defend the Eucharist, but I think we should be willing to die to save it.
Paddington Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1200019' date='Feb 19 2007, 12:18 AM']ty[/quote] I need to learn what 'ty' means.
CatholicCid Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='Paddington' post='1201239' date='Feb 20 2007, 02:56 AM']I need to learn what 'ty' means. [/quote] Thank you. Who's on first?
RezaMikhaeil Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Being that I'm Coptic, I'm going to speak from Coptic tradition on this matter. In the Coptic Church, the Priest prays for the Eucharist with his back turned to the congregation, while the Deacon is facing the congregation. The purpose of this, is that if someone threatening the sacraments came through the door, the deacon would notice and the Priest would go to those people and attempt to stall them, while the Deacon would take the Sacraments and consume [eat and drink] them under the Sacramental Table. This piece of tradition was developed after St. Mark [that founded the Coptic Church and wrote the Gospel according to St. Mark] was martyred. Reza
dandy777 Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Ah! That's interesting. I never knew about that. What if someone poisons the wine before it is placed in the chalice and the priest gets to know this during Mass, what should the priest do?
MissScripture Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1201260' date='Feb 20 2007, 02:46 AM']Being that I'm Coptic, I'm going to speak from Coptic tradition on this matter. In the Coptic Church, the Priest prays for the Eucharist with his back turned to the congregation, while the Deacon is facing the congregation. The purpose of this, is that if someone threatening the sacraments came through the door, the deacon would notice and the Priest would go to those people and attempt to stall them, while the Deacon would take the Sacraments and consume [eat and drink] them under the Sacramental Table. This piece of tradition was developed after St. Mark [that founded the Coptic Church and wrote the Gospel according to St. Mark] was martyred. Reza[/quote] Our theology prof. told us that in the early church, no one outside of the members of the congregation were allowed at Mass and they basically had what he compared to bouncers to make sure no one came in who wasn't allowed.
RezaMikhaeil Posted February 22, 2007 Posted February 22, 2007 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1201390' date='Feb 20 2007, 08:22 AM']Our theology prof. told us that in the early church, no one outside of the members of the congregation were allowed at Mass and they basically had what he compared to bouncers to make sure no one came in who wasn't allowed.[/quote] That's true, originally nobody that wasn't baptized would be allowed to see the Liturgy.
Resurrexi Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 [quote name='dandy777' post='1201272' date='Feb 20 2007, 03:15 AM']Ah! That's interesting. I never knew about that. What if someone poisons the wine before it is placed in the chalice and the priest gets to know this during Mass, what should the priest do?[/quote] Pre-Consecration the priest would stop the Mass and despose of the wine respectfully, I would think. Post-Consecration.... I have no idea.... you are excommunicated if you pour the Precious Blood down the sacrarium... so I have no clue...
Jaime Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 If any ingredients are added prior to consecration (poison or otherwise) it invalidates the consecration. Transubstantiation does not take place. The wine can be disposed of any way the priest sees fit
Resurrexi Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1202888' date='Feb 22 2007, 09:23 PM']If any ingredients are added prior to consecration (poison or otherwise) it invalidates the consecration. Transubstantiation does not take place. The wine can be disposed of any way the priest sees fit[/quote] I remember reading that the consecration would be valid...
Sojourner Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1202890' date='Feb 22 2007, 09:24 PM']I remember reading that the consecration would be valid...[/quote] Look. hot stuff has a degree in theology. You are 13. Saying this, without some sort of support other than "I think I read this somewhere," is a waste of bandwidth.
Jaime Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 From the GIRM [quote]That wine, or rather liquor, cannot be regarded as valid matter, which is extracted from apples or other fruits, or which is made chemically, although it have the color of wine, and may be said in a way to contain its elements; nor wine to which water has been added in a greater or equal quantity[/quote] Nothing but wine and water. (This includes poison) Anything but invalidates the consecration.
Didymus Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) I dont mean to let this go into a tangent, but where do we draw the line on that? I've heard priests tell me they never forget to use the pall (or paten, I cant remember) at Mass because they once had to consume a fly that fell into the chalice at some point during the Liturgy. Where does the church draw the line as to contents that invalidate the sacrament? Am I safe to assume it has to do with intention? Edited February 23, 2007 by Didymus
philosophette Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Consume a fly? That HAS to be going too far. Do we now consider the fly washed in the blood of Christ? haha... sorry.. its just kinda weird.
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