Which Bible Should We Trust?

[Mateo el Feo]

I think you're making this argument on the wrong website. I don't think you need to attack bad Protestant translations on a Catholic website. You might as well attack the J.W.'s New World Translation.

If I could close the sub-thread of Protestant-vs-Protestant translations, here's a funny piece of KJV only-vs-KJV only:

[url="http://www.kjvonly.org/james/may_reviews_pr.htm"]http://www.kjvonly.org/james/may_reviews_pr.htm[/url]

Quoting the first paragraph:[quote]In this classic tome of biblical knowledge, exhaustive research, and careful reasoning, Gail Riplinger brings the full weight of her scholarship and technical expertise in home economics to bear upon the daunting question of Bible texts and translation. Her ignorance of Greek and Hebrew is no deterrent to thorough investigation as she navigates the murky waters surrounding satanic influence in modern Bible versions.[/quote]Kinda silly stuff...

[Urib2007]

G.A. Riplinger has B.A., and M.F.A degrees and has done additional postgraduate study at Harvard and Cornell Universities. As a university professor, the author taught seventeen different courses, authored six college textbooks and was selected for the Honor Society's teaching award and membership in a national Education Honorary.
As one of fifty educators world-wide selected to be in an international edition of [i]Who's Who[/i], the author was invited by the President's Citizen Ambassador Program to be a representative to Russia.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1204064' date='Feb 24 2007, 05:34 PM']G.A. Riplinger has B.A., and M.F.A degrees and has done additional postgraduate study at Harvard and Cornell Universities. As a university professor, the author taught seventeen different courses, authored six college textbooks and was selected for the Honor Society's teaching award and membership in a national Education Honorary.[/quote]I have a B.S. and post-graduate study too, but nothing related to Biblical Scholarship. You've piqued my curiousity, though. What field(s) were her BA and MFA degrees in?

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1204064' date='Feb 24 2007, 05:34 PM']As one of fifty educators world-wide selected to be in an international edition of [i]Who's Who[/i], the author was invited by the President's Citizen Ambassador Program to be a representative to Russia.[/quote]If I had a dime for every time I was invited to be included in a "Who's Who" list...I'd be a rich man.

[Urib2007]

"It is within Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire Vatican State is now confined."
- [i]The Catholic Encyclopedia[/i]

According to the book of Revelation, these seven hills will serve as the spires for Satan's church. [i]What Ever Happened to Heaven[/i], by Dave Hunt, follows the history of this church where the marriage of Christian terms and pagan ideas takes place. He concluded:

"There seems little doubt that this false abominable last-days religious system called Mystery Babylon (Revelation 17:5) will have its headquarters at the Vatican. The joint histories of the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church provide a fascinating preview of what John in Revelation foretells as yet to come. While its headquarters will be Rome, this false religious system will represent all churches, denominations, cults and religions in one."

Religion and politics mix as biblical prophecy points also to the revived Roman Empire as the Antichrist's political base. Some scholars observe that the [i]Donation of Constantine[/i] set the stage.

According to [i]New Dimensions in New Testament Study[/i], pp. 125-126:
"Many medieval texts justify papal claims to temporal sovereignty over the Roman Empire by reference to the Donation of Constantine, by which the first 'Christian' emperor, in the 4th century, willed the Empire to the bishop of Rome in gratitude for curing him of leprosy."

This 'donation' has gathered 'interest' down through the centuries. Pope Innocent III and others have tried to 'collect' saying, "Royal power derives from the Pontifical authority." Pope Boniface VIII repeated, "Temporal power should be subject to the spiritual."
Today many, like U.N. Assistant Secretary General Muller are ready to donate the planet when Rome passes the plate. Muller's book devotes four chapters to Rome's focal place in the 'New World Order.' He remarks:

"One could trace the world's main historic events for the last 2000 years by studying the Pope's visits. I expect the Pope to add a spiritual dimension to the emerging world vision...which would make the heart of the world's 4.5 billion people beat as one.

I really wish that someday a book containing the U.N. speeches of the 2 Popes...might be published for worldwide distribution. The result would be a kind of Bible for modern times...The Holy See has become so close to the U.N...When I read documents emanating from the Holy See...I sometimes have the impression that I'm reading U.N. documents."

The wheel propelling the Pope's political inroads is being oiled by his many patrons and publishing houses. His representatives hold key positions in major organizations working for a One World government. Notre Dame University's President is chairman of Planetary Citizens, Jesuit William F. Ryan is the Pope's proxy at the Club of Rome, while [i]Pax Christi[/i] retains close ties with Planetary Initiative for the World We Choose. The church's Paulist Press publishes, among their host of New Age books, [i]Toward a Human World Order[/i], promoting the "mark of the beast." While Rome has its eyes on the world, the New Age is setting up its stage in the Pope's vicarage.



G.A. Riplinger "New Age Visions"

[Urib2007]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1204079' date='Feb 24 2007, 02:39 PM']I have a B.S. and post-graduate study too, but nothing related to Biblical Scholarship. You've piqued my curiousity, though. What field(s) were her BA and MFA degrees in?[/quote]

There are not many areas online where you can find what her degrees are in. I'm assuming she didn't list them since they have nothing to do with biblical studies or theology. One site I found stated her degrees were in interior design. No wonder she doesn't list them.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1204136' date='Feb 24 2007, 06:14 PM']There are not many areas online where you can find what her degrees are in. I'm assuming she didn't list them since they have nothing to do with biblical studies or theology. One site I found stated her degrees were in interior design. No wonder she doesn't list them.[/quote]She might be able to save me from the "Church of Rome," but maybe she could save my living room with some updated furniture and window treatment.

[Urib2007]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1204233' date='Feb 24 2007, 08:12 PM']She might be able to save me from the "Church of Rome," but maybe she could save my living room with some updated furniture and window treatment. [/quote]

Hahaha! You are witty! :-)

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1204125' date='Feb 24 2007, 06:05 PM']"It is within Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire Vatican State is now confined."
- [i]The Catholic Encyclopedia[/i]

According to the book of Revelation, these seven hills will serve as the spires for Satan's church. [i]What Ever Happened to Heaven[/i], by Dave Hunt, follows the history of this church where the marriage of Christian terms and pagan ideas takes place. He concluded:

"There seems little doubt that this false abominable last-days religious system called Mystery Babylon (Revelation 17:5) will have its headquarters at the Vatican. The joint histories of the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church provide a fascinating preview of what John in Revelation foretells as yet to come. While its headquarters will be Rome, this false religious system will represent all churches, denominations, cults and religions in one."

Religion and politics mix as biblical prophecy points also to the revived Roman Empire as the Antichrist's political base. Some scholars observe that the [i]Donation of Constantine[/i] set the stage.

According to [i]New Dimensions in New Testament Study[/i], pp. 125-126:
"Many medieval texts justify papal claims to temporal sovereignty over the Roman Empire by reference to the Donation of Constantine, by which the first 'Christian' emperor, in the 4th century, willed the Empire to the bishop of Rome in gratitude for curing him of leprosy."

This 'donation' has gathered 'interest' down through the centuries. Pope Innocent III and others have tried to 'collect' saying, "Royal power derives from the Pontifical authority." Pope Boniface VIII repeated, "Temporal power should be subject to the spiritual."
Today many, like U.N. Assistant Secretary General Muller are ready to donate the planet when Rome passes the plate. Muller's book devotes four chapters to Rome's focal place in the 'New World Order.' He remarks:

"One could trace the world's main historic events for the last 2000 years by studying the Pope's visits. I expect the Pope to add a spiritual dimension to the emerging world vision...which would make the heart of the world's 4.5 billion people beat as one.

I really wish that someday a book containing the U.N. speeches of the 2 Popes...might be published for worldwide distribution. The result would be a kind of Bible for modern times...The Holy See has become so close to the U.N...When I read documents emanating from the Holy See...I sometimes have the impression that I'm reading U.N. documents."

The wheel propelling the Pope's political inroads is being oiled by his many patrons and publishing houses. His representatives hold key positions in major organizations working for a One World government. Notre Dame University's President is chairman of Planetary Citizens, Jesuit William F. Ryan is the Pope's proxy at the Club of Rome, while [i]Pax Christi[/i] retains close ties with Planetary Initiative for the World We Choose. The church's Paulist Press publishes, among their host of New Age books, [i]Toward a Human World Order[/i], promoting the "mark of the beast." While Rome has its eyes on the world, the New Age is setting up its stage in the Pope's vicarage.
G.A. Riplinger "New Age Visions"[/quote]
interesting but erronous and has NOTHING to do with the topic.

[Theoketos]

For the record, I can only read a little syriac.

And King James Only people are using traditions of men claiming to be the word of God. I have two undergraduate degrees and a Masters, but not in home Econ

[Urib2007]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1204525' date='Feb 25 2007, 04:07 PM']interesting but erronous and has NOTHING to do with the topic.[/quote]

[img]http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs6/300W/i/2005/111/a/3/ouroboros_by_Saki_BlackWing.jpg[/img]

Well, I started the topic, so.... Anyway, just curious, why do did you choose that stylized oroboros serpent biting its tail? I'm sure you already know that it's a symbol used in Theosophy. Of what I understand, this symbol was seen as early as 1600 BC in Egypt. I remember that Cleopatra liked it a lot.

Check out this quote:

"This snake is biting its own tail and in the occult tradition, it is called the 'Ouroboros'. It is a complex symbol, for it represents many things ... However, its most obvious symbolism is connected with time -- with the notion that the passage of time is somehow involved with destruction ... Time devours itself." ["Magic Symbols", Frederick Goodman, p. 6; Note: This is an occult book]

[cmotherofpirl]

Mine is from an Irish website and its a symbol of eternity.
The one I reallly wanted [ and was made for me] won't load back into PM.
Sooner or late I will get it to work.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1204125' date='Feb 24 2007, 09:05 PM']"It is within Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire Vatican State is now confined."
- [i]The Catholic Encyclopedia[/i]

According to the book of Revelation, these seven hills will serve as the spires for Satan's church. [i]What Ever Happened to Heaven[/i], by Dave Hunt, follows the history of this church where the marriage of Christian terms and pagan ideas takes place. He concluded:

"There seems little doubt that this false abominable last-days religious system called Mystery Babylon (Revelation 17:5) will have its headquarters at the Vatican. The joint histories of the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic Church provide a fascinating preview of what John in Revelation foretells as yet to come. While its headquarters will be Rome, this false religious system will represent all churches, denominations, cults and religions in one."

Religion and politics mix as biblical prophecy points also to the revived Roman Empire as the Antichrist's political base. Some scholars observe that the [i]Donation of Constantine[/i] set the stage.

According to [i]New Dimensions in New Testament Study[/i], pp. 125-126:
"Many medieval texts justify papal claims to temporal sovereignty over the Roman Empire by reference to the Donation of Constantine, by which the first 'Christian' emperor, in the 4th century, willed the Empire to the bishop of Rome in gratitude for curing him of leprosy."

This 'donation' has gathered 'interest' down through the centuries. Pope Innocent III and others have tried to 'collect' saying, "Royal power derives from the Pontifical authority." Pope Boniface VIII repeated, "Temporal power should be subject to the spiritual."
Today many, like U.N. Assistant Secretary General Muller are ready to donate the planet when Rome passes the plate. Muller's book devotes four chapters to Rome's focal place in the 'New World Order.' He remarks:

"One could trace the world's main historic events for the last 2000 years by studying the Pope's visits. I expect the Pope to add a spiritual dimension to the emerging world vision...which would make the heart of the world's 4.5 billion people beat as one.

I really wish that someday a book containing the U.N. speeches of the 2 Popes...might be published for worldwide distribution. The result would be a kind of Bible for modern times...The Holy See has become so close to the U.N...When I read documents emanating from the Holy See...I sometimes have the impression that I'm reading U.N. documents."

The wheel propelling the Pope's political inroads is being oiled by his many patrons and publishing houses. His representatives hold key positions in major organizations working for a One World government. Notre Dame University's President is chairman of Planetary Citizens, Jesuit William F. Ryan is the Pope's proxy at the Club of Rome, while [i]Pax Christi[/i] retains close ties with Planetary Initiative for the World We Choose. The church's Paulist Press publishes, among their host of New Age books, [i]Toward a Human World Order[/i], promoting the "mark of the beast." While Rome has its eyes on the world, the New Age is setting up its stage in the Pope's vicarage.
G.A. Riplinger "New Age Visions"[/quote]

Don't you find it ironic at all that you took a pagan worldly symbol (Reeses Peanut Butter Cups, a sign of modern American commerce and the pursuit of instant gratification and money over God) and Christened it, and yet you are condemning the Church for doing the same thing? David Hunt is unfortunately not a reliable source on anything, Catholic or Protestant. On the other hand though David Currie's "Rapture" is an excellent starting point for end of the world conspiracy theories.

[avemaria40]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1200840' date='Feb 19 2007, 07:53 PM']The Bible is Catholic[/quote]

Amen. Even my evangelical Protestant boyfriend agrees with that statement. (He defends me against anti-Catholic accusations by asserting that the Catholic Church is responsible for putting the Bible together).

I have an NRSV, an NAB and a KJV(which I got when I first was interested in Christianity and I keep for apologetics and sentimental reasons). I would like to read NJB or DR, but haven't, as of yet, gotten a copy of either.

When people accuse Catholics of not reading the Bible, I laugh. If only they knew we got indulgences for studying the Bible.

Edited February 28, 2007 by avemaria40

[FullTruth]

Catholics aren't bad. There are many Christians in your ranks, and many who aren't.

The Catholic Priests, as well as other Priests of other Religious orders who defile young men and women are Satanic Infiltrators trying to discredit Christanity.

Since Catholics are the biggest Christian group, they are the one people try to discredit the most, because most people think Catholic when it comes to God and Christianity. I don't know how many times people asked me if I was Catholic, for me to say - No, I'm United Pentecostal.

At least I can renounce that one too, I'm not United Pentecostal, because they are not Sabbath Keepers. I'm a lone wolf with friends who keep the Sabbath - the Seventh Day - too.

On Bible Versions. The KJV is a very good translation for the new testament, and the JPS is the best Old Testament translation in the world. Nothing beats Jewish People translating the original Hebrew Text, period.

I don't agree with the Pope, and alot of what he is saying and doing right now. He's wrong about Evolution, the Sabbath, and many other things, and has enough sway in the world to convince people to do things his way. But even the Pope has his masters, and they are the one's we really need to fight.

But Catholics are Christians, and I love you guys so much. Thanks for keeping the texts alive.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205628' date='Feb 27 2007, 11:14 PM']Catholics aren't bad. There are many Christians in your ranks, and many who aren't.

The Catholic Priests, as well as other Priests of other Religious orders who defile young men and women are Satanic Infiltrators trying to discredit Christanity.

Since Catholics are the biggest Christian group, they are the one people try to discredit the most, because most people think Catholic when it comes to God and Christianity. I don't know how many times people asked me if I was Catholic, for me to say - No, I'm United Pentecostal.

At least I can renounce that one too, I'm not United Pentecostal, because they are not Sabbath Keepers. I'm a lone wolf with friends who keep the Sabbath - the Seventh Day - too.

On Bible Versions. The KJV is a very good translation for the new testament, and the JPS is the best Old Testament translation in the world. Nothing beats Jewish People translating the original Hebrew Text, period.

I don't agree with the Pope, and alot of what he is saying and doing right now. He's wrong about Evolution, the Sabbath, and many other things, and has enough sway in the world to convince people to do things his way. But even the Pope has his masters, and they are the one's we really need to fight.

But Catholics are Christians, and I love you guys so much. Thanks for keeping the texts alive.[/quote]I'm going to leave aside the arguments you make regarding your peculiar brand of Protestantism, which seems to favor Unitarianism and Sabbatarianism. I just want to suggest that you save these arguments for their own threads and not try to hijack the topic of the thread, which is "Which Bible Should We Trust?"

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1205645' date='Feb 27 2007, 11:27 PM']I'm going to leave aside the arguments you make regarding your peculiar brand of Protestantism, which seems to favor Unitarianism and Sabbatarianism. I just want to suggest that you save these arguments for their own threads and not try to hijack the topic of the thread, which is "Which Bible Should We Trust?"[/quote]
I'm not Protestant anymore. I don't even know what that means. I like the idea of God Chaser myself. I hope I'm a follower of the Christ. I'm totally independant of all religions in the world because the elites use them to convince everybody they have the right religion, and all others are false religions.

There is so many religious spirits out there, and all of them are Satanic. Don't fall in love with your religion, fall in love with YHWH, because he is the only one who can save you.

BTW, how do I change my signature? I'm having some difficulty with this new system?

Edited February 28, 2007 by FullTruth

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205650' date='Feb 27 2007, 11:35 PM']I'm not Protestant anymore. I don't even know what that means.[/quote]Protestant rough definition: a western Christian who protests the authority of the Catholic Church. The spiritual children of the Reformation.

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205650' date='Feb 27 2007, 11:35 PM']There is so many religious spirits out there, and all of them are Satanic. Don't fall in love with your religion, fall in love with YHWH, because he is the only one who can save you.[/quote]There are so many threads out there. Don't fall in love with this poor thread about different Bible translations. Just say "no" to hijacking.

Edited February 28, 2007 by Mateo el Feo

[FullTruth]

Mateo, you mis-intrepreted me.

I know I came here with a religious spirit, seeking to do it's agenda some time ago. It was a really exhausting battle to finally defeat it.

Catholics are just as weak when it comes to religious spirits as Protestants. That's the problem. Each religion will go out of its way to try to prove each other is wrong. They do so because Religious spirits come into the lives of people, and drive them with this lie - their religion is the only true religion and all other religions are evil and in sin, and all other members of all other religions must repent of the sin of seperating itself of the 'true religion' or they will burn in hell. All religions are based on that fact, and there are people in all religions who are so zealot that they must prove their religion is the right one.

I love all those who love Christ. I love the Church christ has planted in the hearts of the believers. I love the bible he created. The church is truly amazing. I love Jesus Christ, and he loves me.

I love protestants, catholics, jews, muslims, and all who call out in the name of Jesus Christ.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205688' date='Feb 28 2007, 01:26 AM']Mateo, you mis-intrepreted me.[/quote]Honestly, it would help if you could hold my hand and let me know (e.g. by quoting me) how I misinterpreted you. I really just was hoping that I could persuade you to stick to the topic instead of chasing conspiracies about things like the pope's secret "masters."

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205688' date='Feb 28 2007, 01:26 AM']Catholics are just as weak when it comes to religious spirits as Protestants. That's the problem.[/quote]If you'd like to talk about our weaknesses, you're in the wrong thread.

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205688' date='Feb 28 2007, 01:26 AM']Each religion will go out of its way to try to prove each other is wrong. They do so because Religious spirits come into the lives of people, and drive them with this lie - their religion is the only true religion and all other religions are evil and in sin, and all other members of all other religions must repent of the sin of seperating itself of the 'true religion' or they will burn in hell. All religions are based on that fact, and there are people in all religions who are so zealot that they must prove their religion is the right one.[/quote]It is you, FullTruth, who must deal with the fact that Our Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed that He is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (John 14:6). Certainly, this attitude of exclusivity goes against the grain of the belief system (i.e. religion) that you describe here.

The problem is, you've been quite liberal in condemning those who differ from you as not holding onto your "true religion." You've even repeatedly condemned to the fires of hell those who dare disagree with you. It would seem that your words of condemnation apply to your own behavior.

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205688' date='Feb 28 2007, 01:26 AM']I love all those who love Christ. I love the Church christ has planted in the hearts of the believers. I love the bible he created. The church is truly amazing. I love Jesus Christ, and he loves me.[/quote]""Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.." (Matthew 7:22). So what makes you think you are so sure about actually doing the will of the Father, and how are you certain that Our Lord won't solemnly declare, "I never knew you"? Considering that the you disagree with the vast majority of Christianity today and though the ages, these questions are quite important for you to ask yourself. Put another way, "At what age do you think you became wiser than the collective wisdom of 2,000 years of Christianity?"

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205688' date='Feb 28 2007, 01:26 AM']I love protestants, catholics, jews, muslims, and all who call out in the name of Jesus Christ.[/quote]I love all mankind, who was made in the Image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26). But, with all the love you have for "all who call out in the name of Jesus Christ", you have a facility with pronouncing eternal condemnation on these same people.

I do hope you'll consider my words. It's an awefully lonely road to believe that you are the sole authority for what is and isn't "true religion." From my vantage point, that's the path you are currently on.

[cmotherofpirl]

please stick to the topics of bibles.
the end.
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