Sabbath Keeping

[cmotherofpirl]

It is good to honor God at all times.
Still Christianity has always honored Him on Sunday, but that is you choice.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1205952' date='Feb 28 2007, 07:45 PM']You forget Jesus Christ founded a Church that is the pillar and foundation of truth. You reject the Church he founded , are you not rejecting Him as well?[/quote]

How do you define the church Jesus Christ founded?

I consider it the believers who cast out demons, lay on hands to heal people, and speak in new tongues.

There are many in the Catholic Church who aren't Christian, and many who are. There are many who are more consumed by religious spirits in them, and some who truly love Jesus Christ.

Don't be fooled by religious spirits who tell you your 'Religion' is THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH. I fell for that demon, who said - did not God say. . .

You don't have to go to church to live a life of faith in God. You only have to believe, be baptized and filled with the holy ghost.

[jeffpugh]

FullTruth,
This is a lot of good stuff... If I may be so bold to add my opinion, I must say pray about it and hang tight. Read the scriptures with sensitivity and openness. Especially the scriptures that are cited by the Phatmassers. Also, I want to point out that God is not 'Divided in 3 persons' as you have stated, but is "United in 3 Persons", in which the Father and the Son give each other themselves in love and the Spirit outpoors from the love (hopefully I've stated that correctly). The best image of that love is on the Cross, and is also reflected in marriage. Anywho that might be a bit of a tangent but keep in there. You are in my prayers.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1205957' date='Feb 28 2007, 07:50 PM']It is good to honor God at all times.
Still Christianity has always honored Him on Sunday, but that is you choice. [/quote]
Now that sounds like a really Christian response. You sense that I am not trying to reform the Catholic Church, but I choose to honour God in a different way.

You don't have to be just like everybody else to honour God. I am definitely not condemning anybody for going to any church, or following one way or the other. Just don't be consumed by the religious thoughts of demons. God wants us to live 'religiously' honouring him. But he doesn't want us to strike out to each other.

One person goes one way, and another person goes another way, and the third person goes another way - working out their own salvation with fear and trembling before the Holy one of Israel.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205961' date='Feb 28 2007, 07:54 PM']How do you define the church Jesus Christ founded?

I consider it the believers who cast out demons, lay on hands to heal people, and speak in new tongues.

There are many in the Catholic Church who aren't Christian, and many who are. There are many who are more consumed by religious spirits in them, and some who truly love Jesus Christ.

Don't be fooled by religious spirits who tell you your 'Religion' is THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH. I fell for that demon, who said - did not God say. . .

You don't have to go to church to live a life of faith in God. You only have to believe, be baptized and filled with the holy ghost.[/quote]

Jesus only founded one Chrurch in 33 AD.
Acts called us christians.
Ignatius of Antioch in AD97 referred to us as "catholic" meaning universal.

There are many communities that refer to themselves as christian, but the only groups that are "churches" descended in a direct line from the Apostles are catholics, orthodox, and maybe anglicans. And while you may think there is a big conspiracy to make all religions fight each other, the actual conspiracy is to make all religions equal and therefore irrelevant, and man a mere aninmal that can be used and abused for any purpose.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1205962' date='Feb 28 2007, 07:55 PM']FullTruth,
This is a lot of good stuff... If I may be so bold to add my opinion, I must say pray about it and hang tight. Read the scriptures with sensitivity and openness. Especially the scriptures that are cited by the Phatmassers. Also, I want to point out that God is not 'Divided in 3 persons' as you have stated, but is "United in 3 Persons", in which the Father and the Son give each other themselves in love and the Spirit outpoors from the love (hopefully I've stated that correctly). The best image of that love is on the Cross, and is also reflected in marriage. Anywho that might be a bit of a tangent but keep in there. You are in my prayers.[/quote]

You will also be in my prayers Music Man.

I know there are three in heaven. But I see one person in the three. I'm not going to go into that. God uses the language of he, him, his, me, my, mine, and I so much in scripture that he has no problem calling himself a single person in scripture. But this is not the place to go on about that here.

I wanted to check scripture out by looking at the day Jesus died, but thank you all for the scriptures for me to read. Still, if death equals rest in peace and Jesus was dead on the Sabbath Day - therefore he was resting, and alive to start Christanity on the first day, it still shows a forshadowing that the day of rest that God had decided upon showed his son would die on the same day - therefore marking the day of rest. Even in death Jesus obeyed the Seventh Day Sabbath.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1205967' date='Feb 28 2007, 08:03 PM']Jesus only founded one Chrurch in 33 AD.
Acts called us christians.
Ignatius of Antioch in AD97 referred to us as "catholic" meaning universal.

There are many communities that refer to themselves as christian, but the only groups that are "churches" descended in a direct line from the Apostles are catholics, orthodox, and maybe anglicans. And while you may think there is a big conspiracy to make all religions fight each other, the actual conspiracy is to make all religions equal and therefore irrelevant, and man a mere aninmal that can be used and abused for any purpose.[/quote]

Good call. Especially the last point. Speaking of conspiracies, if The Church was one, then how could we survive over 2000 years? Why would bishops go through torture in the first 300 years for a lie? How could a vast body keep a secret if we come from different perspectives and ideas? Anywho I'll catch up on this thread tomorrow. Going to sing some sacred music. Beautiful treasures of the Church.

God Bless

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1205967' date='Feb 28 2007, 08:03 PM']Jesus only founded one Chrurch in 33 AD.
Acts called us christians.
Ignatius of Antioch in AD97 referred to us as "catholic" meaning universal.

There are many communities that refer to themselves as christian, but the only groups that are "churches" descended in a direct line from the Apostles are catholics, orthodox, and maybe anglicans. And while you may think there is a big conspiracy to make all religions fight each other, the actual conspiracy is to make all religions equal and therefore irrelevant, and man a mere aninmal that can be used and abused for any purpose.[/quote]
Churches are not organizations. Churches are the body of believers. Everybody wants to say that their Organization is the church Jesus Christ founded. But God says you can't go to the right of left of the Bible, and in today's society, every single Religious organization in the world has gone to the right or left, even Catholics. But the believers will not go to the right or left.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1205967' date='Feb 28 2007, 08:03 PM']Jesus only founded one Chrurch in 33 AD.
Acts called us christians.
Ignatius of Antioch in AD97 referred to us as "catholic" meaning universal.

There are many communities that refer to themselves as christian, but the only groups that are "churches" descended in a direct line from the Apostles are catholics, orthodox, and maybe anglicans. And while you may think there is a big conspiracy to make all religions fight each other, the actual conspiracy is to make all religions equal and therefore irrelevant, and man a mere aninmal that can be used and abused for any purpose.[/quote]
The real conspiracy is the 6,000 year old conspiracy to hide the seed of the serpent so they can rule over the seed of the woman. They're everywhere, and they control all religions, but one.

But I won't get into Genesis 6, Solomon's Mistake, and the real meaning of the coming of the son of man.

I know the strength of religious demons, and what they can do. While I was battling my religious demon, it got so bad I couldn't sleep or eat for days while I was fighting it. Now that I am free of it, I can see clearly that there are many religious demons in the world, and they want to convince you that you belong to the right way of life, and that all other people are wrong.

Everything is a religion, but there is only one religion that is the truth, and that is the religion YHWH gave us through Yeshua to cast out demons out of ourselves, to heal by laying on of hands, and to speak with new tongues.

I do recommend this freedom. You all love Jesus Christ, and he sees you and smiles and loves all of you, as he loves Protestants and all those who love him and call out on his name. Don't get so hung up by the religion to be blinded by it.

[N/A Gone]

No love/response for my post?>


Oh, I dont know how educated you are on patristics, but the early christians actually did both. Worship saturday in the temple and then sunday in mass. Mike Aquilina speaks about this in a very nice read

[url="http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Early-Christians-Mike-Aquilina/dp/0879739428/sr=8-4/qid=1172713801/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4/102-2560565-2007331?ie=UTF8&s=books"]http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Early-Christian...TF8&s=books[/url]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205739' date='Feb 28 2007, 09:03 AM']First of all, The Bible doesn't say which day of the week Christ died on.[/quote]

The Jewish Sabbath is from Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset.

St. John's Gospel (19:31):

[i]Now since it was preparation day, [b]in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath,[/b][/i] for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one, the Jews asked Pilate that their legs be broken and they be taken down.

Jesus was rushed off the cross after his death so that He would not remain up there during the Sabbath. Jesus was murdered on a Friday. He rose on the third day, a Sunday.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1205903' date='Feb 28 2007, 05:57 PM']Friend,

you know we are cool from our Pm's, I speak here as that friend. In high school I flirted strongly with becoming a messanic jew. I saw evangelical protestantism as in utter chaos and I had some polemical knowledge about catholicism. Jewish religious customs are not the glorified answer you are looking for. Also, you would not be using them properly In the book of hebrews (*which I suggest you read in depth before making this decision) it tells how the jewish customs and religious pratices were a preparation for Christ. Not something to continue doing while being a christian. Paul cites numerous times that we are free from that law, and putting ourselves back under that law makes no sense.

Often times someone who is strong willed takes a minor detour on their way to catholicism. A dear friend of mine strongly considered becoming an anglican, I almost became an agnostic. The common line is to think the Eastern Orthodox is all the good, without the bad. But all that does is show you that Christ made one church. he made one birth right. Everything else is just another man's attempt to reconcile his own epistemology with what the church teaches.

The conspircy theories are interesting, but how valid are they sir? I will entertain them if you want to talk about them.

In my prayers friend[/quote]
Actually friend, I don't find that I am putting myself under the law anymore.

I want to say that I have been fighting off a religious demon who wants me. It is strong. And while I was battling it, I wasn't hungry, and I couldn't sleep. For the past months, I have been in great derision because Satan hates me and wants me destroyed.

As I learn more and more of God, and more and more of Satan, Satan has decided to make it his personal mission to try to destroy me.

There is such spiritual abuses on me all the time now. It is really, really burdening. But then there are times where the spirit comes to me, and it comforts me. The evils being done to me are melted away instantly, and I could sit there and worship God for hours on end.

And out of that grace God has given me, I feel so humbled and so loved all I can do is honour him for his saving grace. I choose to follow the Seventh Day Sabbath, not to live under the law, but to fulfill it like Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, even in his death.

In the Bible it says the Sun didn't shine on the moment Jesus died - Sundown, and he didn't appear until Sunday, so he rested in the grave on Saturday. Even his death proclaims the Sabbath, Seventh, Day.

[N/A Gone]

I love hearing your testimony sir in all the passion it envelopes. My question is where are you learning about God. What is your compass, your direction on this path? Why would God condemn religion when that has been the avenue he has used for his creation to find relation with the divine?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1206049' date='Feb 28 2007, 10:24 PM']I love hearing your testimony sir in all the passion it envelopes. My question is where are you learning about God. What is your compass, your direction on this path? Why would God condemn religion when that has been the avenue he has used for his creation to find relation with the divine?[/quote]
There is one Religion, and you are correct.

I don't condemn Religion, I just condemn the religious demons who have taken over. I definitely believe there is something universal about Christanity. How we all can come together and praise the name of Jesus Christ.

But when you add, unless you believe this, that and the other thing you're not saved and are going to hell, that is when you know there is a religious demon attached to someone.

I learn what I learn of God from his word and the spirit. I love reading the Bible. When the Spirit comes into your heart, it feels so powerful and so gentle. It makes you feel so complete. And it teaches you things.

It leads you into all truth, such as casting out demons.

The devil hates me, and takes special interest in me because of my faith. I've had prophecies spoken over me about how the Devil hates me because I am a thorn in his foot. He tries to naw and naw at me, but can't do anything because of my belief in God's word.

My testimony is like this.

I have a learning disability. My short term memory has been rated on a scale that puts me at about the 13th per centile of the human race. Luckily, God balanced that out by giving me a fluid reasoning that has been tested at the highest level a human being can currently be tested at. Two very powerful extremes that use to make life fraustrating for me, especially in this so-called education system.

I grew up thinking there was something wrong with me, and it took College for God to eventually show me that I am capable of so much more than I use to think of myself.

It all came down to one scripture, and after that, I wouldn't entertain any thought about something being wrong with me.

I shall praise thee; for I am [b]Fearfully and wonderfully made[/b], wonderous is the works of thine hands, that My soul knoweth right well. Psalm 139:14.

I started to apply such scriptures to my life, and my life has become more and more like how God wants us to live. Reading the Bible isn't about indulgencies - that's about self. Reading the Bible is about transformation of yourself to become what God wants you to be.

So as I was counted faithful in the small things, like applying scripture to transform my life, God has continued to reveal newer and newer things.

I've recieved lessons from annointed preachers which came into my e-mail address without me requesting such information. I can only conclude God is faithful, and put my e-mail address into the mailing server of someone who doesn't know me.

I've learned so many things from the spirit and the word. There is a grand conspiracy and it deals with the very first prophecy in the Bible.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; [b]they[/b] shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise [b]their[/b] heel. Genesis 3:15, JPS bible.

Notice it says they and their in that scripture. That is why I use the Jewish Publication Society Bible for the Old Testament. It is much more accurate because they use the original Hebrew to translate. Who better than Jewish people to translate Hebrew text?

This is a prophecy about the ancient enemy and humanity, not the Devil and Jesus as so many people mis-interpret this scripture to meaning.

It is simple things like this that makes me conclude that the Devil has always wanted to hide things like this from human eyes. If you read that scripture and realize it is us who fight and defeat the Devil, than you'd actually go out and start to fight him in an aggressive way, knowing and trusting in that prophecy - that we subdue the devil and his minions. He, of course, doesn't want you to know that and will do anything to decieve you from believing that scripture, including writting it like this in the KJV and other bibles -

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:15, KJV, and most likely all others.

I don't trust 'Bibles' to save me. I've seen enough that each has corruptions.

The JPS Bible is not a Protestant Bible - because it doesn't even have the New Testament. It is the Holy Scriptures of the old testament translated by Jewish people. They don't have a hidden Anti-Catholic agenda, and yet, their old testament scriptures have all the Messianic Prophecies outlined exactly perfect as well.

Edited March 1, 2007 by FullTruth

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1206049' date='Feb 28 2007, 10:24 PM']I love hearing your testimony sir in all the passion it envelopes. My question is where are you learning about God. What is your compass, your direction on this path? Why would God condemn religion when that has been the avenue he has used for his creation to find relation with the divine?[/quote]

This is a good statement. I myself am somewhat pleased with your testimony. Keep up the good work. I must add that you are not the only one the devil wants dead. I myself have been putting up with terrible temptations, almost blinding at times. Fr Corapi (from EWTN) once said to a group of retreatants after telling of a scene following a police officer to a back ally on a murder scene that "the devil wants your daughter dead in a garbage can". He wants that for everyone. Keep taking responsibility and find The Good. I hope you will find what you are truly yearning for.

God Bless

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1206068' date='Feb 28 2007, 11:08 PM']This is a good statement. I myself am somewhat pleased with your testimony. Keep up the good work. I must add that you are not the only one the devil wants dead. I myself have been putting up with terrible temptations, almost blinding at times. Fr Corapi (from EWTN) once said to a group of retreatants after telling of a scene following a police officer to a back ally on a murder scene that "the devil wants your daughter dead in a garbage can". He wants that for everyone. Keep taking responsibility and find The Good. I hope you will find what you are truly yearning for.

God Bless[/quote]
The only thing I truly yearn for is to see Jesus Christ on the throne, ruling over humanity for a 1,000 years, so I can come before him, look upon him, and worship him with all my mind, strength, heart and soul.

There is always good. I see things more clearly now. I once thought Catholics are all going to hell. No, that's not happening. There will be many Catholics in Heaven, as there will be many of each religion who are in heaven, because they were part of the true religion, the one who believe Jesus Christ is the way humanity casts out demons and bruises the head of the devil and his minions.

Praise God!

[Urib2007]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205953' date='Feb 28 2007, 04:45 PM']Well said.

I'm not actually doing this to obey the law, but I want to see all that God has to offer.

I'm not on the - you must obey this or that to be saved. I just want to honour God by honouring his law when it comes to the seventh day. I love God so much. He has been very gracious to me, for all the things he has delivered me from.

I've had to fight so many strong religious spirits in the name of Jesus Christ. And God has delivered me from them.[/quote]

Well, good job on fighting those religious demons. There are many people who possess them and praise Yeshua that you were delivered.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1206117' date='Mar 1 2007, 12:53 AM']Well, good job on fighting those religious demons. There are many people who possess them and praise Yeshua that you were delivered.[/quote]
That is why I have such hope for humanity now.

Jesus smiles upon all those who call out upon the name of the Lord. He will deliver them, I know he will.

[catholicinsd]

So, basically your staying home Friday night, and all day Saturday? Forget the Religious aspect of it, that's just being a prude.

[FullTruth]

Who ever said staying home. I'm saying not doing any work and worshipping and relaxing! If that means going out and taking a swim, or going to the Library, or any number of things - then let it be so.