Budge Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 The "unity* of Catholicism is also another misnomer. Lets compare Pelosi with people here, different beliefs and outlooks...hmmm? Trads vs. progressives... so forth and so on.
thessalonian Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 There is no unity if it is not aligned with the magesterium. That is where your arguement fails budge. Pelosi is not in union with the Church. That is clear. Anyone who denies critical issues of Catholicism such as the papacy is quite clearly not in uion as well. Do you think someone who publically and willfully supports abortion is in unity with Christ? I would sure hope not. Such arguements as your budge are just wishful thinking to excuse the baskin robbins flavors of protestantism. The Bible calls it "every wind of doctrine".
theculturewarrior Posted March 20, 2007 Author Posted March 20, 2007 [quote name='desertwoman' post='1215903' date='Mar 19 2007, 03:25 PM']Oh, and I havent gotten it yet. Thanks for asking!! Keep me lifted in prayer so I can get crackin on my letter.[/quote] I will definitely pray for you. It will be over before you know it.
Sojourner Posted March 20, 2007 Posted March 20, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1216372' date='Mar 20 2007, 08:30 AM']The "unity* of Catholicism is also another misnomer. Lets compare Pelosi with people here, different beliefs and outlooks...hmmm? Trads vs. progressives... so forth and so on.[/quote] I don't disagree that there are definitely theological differences among Catholics. There's no question that there have been discussions over the centuries on a range of issues. And there is room for disagreement, and for people to be in process as they come to an understanding of faith. Not to say that there aren't lines that, when crossed, mean you're definitely out of the church ... but there is room for discussion and disagreement within the Church. We're family, and every Sunday we gather around the same table. Our discussions around the table may indicate that we're at different places on the journey, but we're still at the same table, eating the same bread and drinking the same wine. We ALL partake of the Body and Blood of Christ. Protestants chose to leave the table, to quit the family dinner and start your own traditions. You're still family, but you no longer sit at the table. There is a HUGE difference between sitting at the table and having disagreements vs. getting up and leaving communion.
theculturewarrior Posted March 20, 2007 Author Posted March 20, 2007 [quote name='desertwoman' post='1216185' date='Mar 19 2007, 10:16 PM']Of course there is one truth and interpretation of the Bible, and many people have distorted it. The thing that gets many people and I as well is doubt. Did someone get it wrong and allowed themselves to be speaking instead of the Holy Spirit? This is where other factions do come in as well I believe. Someone thinks that something is wrong and that we have been adhering to error. Their motives is not intended to harm, but to help. They honestly believe that they are helping people see the error of their ways because of faulty interpretations of the Bible. Sorry if this didn't come our right, but I just finished my CHaucer class and I'm on e right now. Plus I have a paper to do tonight as well. But this paper is fun compared to my other classes. Its on suffering and suicide in Veronika Decides to Die. I'm going to add Candide in the mix as well. And proably some Faust. I'm not sure.[/quote] Catholics believe that this is why Jesus gave the keys of the Kingdom to Saint Peter. We believe that without an authority on biblical interpretation and Christian teaching, we cannot know whether or not we have the Faith that Jesus gave us, and we believe that Jesus left this authority to the Catholic Church..
desertwoman Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 I guess it boils down to Acts 8:30-31. Someone does have to help teach another how to interpret scripture, and it does come from people in authority... ie the apostles like Mathew, Mark, and so on.
Resurrexi Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 (edited) I think 2 Peter 3:16 is the Bible's teaching on interpretation of the Bible in a nutshell: [quote][b]Petri II; Caput III:[/b] 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. [url="http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=68&ch=3&l=16&f=s#x"]http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk...;l=16&f=s#x[/url][/quote] Edited March 21, 2007 by StThomasMore
Archangel Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 [quote name='theculturewarrior' post='1215781' date='Mar 19 2007, 06:16 AM']How can one protestant read one thing in the Bible, and another read the same thing but find it means something else, and state that both are true because they come from the Bible?[/quote] As long as they both disagree with the Church.
Budge Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 [quote]Catholics believe that this is why Jesus gave the keys of the Kingdom to Saint Peter. We believe that without an authority on biblical interpretation and Christian teaching, we cannot know whether or not we have the Faith that Jesus gave us, and we believe that Jesus left this authority to the Catholic Church..[/quote] Do you all realize your leadership has only INTERPETED SEVEN VERSES out of the whole Bible? [img]http://www.lazyboysreststop.com/NCCB_Reply.jpg[/img]
theculturewarrior Posted March 21, 2007 Author Posted March 21, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Budge' post='1216794' date='Mar 21 2007, 08:23 AM']Do you all realize your leadership has only INTERPETED SEVEN VERSES out of the whole Bible? [img]http://www.lazyboysreststop.com/NCCB_Reply.jpg[/img][/quote] Oh my. What compelling evidence. Edited March 21, 2007 by theculturewarrior
theculturewarrior Posted March 21, 2007 Author Posted March 21, 2007 [quote name='desertwoman' post='1216751' date='Mar 20 2007, 10:55 PM']I guess it boils down to Acts 8:30-31. Someone does have to help teach another how to interpret scripture, and it does come from people in authority... ie the apostles like Mathew, Mark, and so on.[/quote] We believe the bishops are the successors of the Apostles. Saint Paul was a successor of the original 12.
theculturewarrior Posted March 21, 2007 Author Posted March 21, 2007 Just for the record, the entire Bible has been interpreted by the Fathers and Church Doctors, but key passages are dogmatic in nature.
desertwoman Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 [quote name='theculturewarrior' post='1216838' date='Mar 21 2007, 10:47 AM']We believe the bishops are the successors of the Apostles. Saint Paul was a successor of the original 12.[/quote] Right and I believe this as well, for they went to the corners of the earth to preach the good news of Christ Crucified. We have your Coptics, Antiochean, and so on and so forth.
Mateo el Feo Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 [quote name='theculturewarrior' post='1216840' date='Mar 21 2007, 10:50 AM']Just for the record, the entire Bible has been interpreted by the Fathers and Church Doctors, but key passages are dogmatic in nature.[/quote]Just FYI, we've all been through this letter with Budge before. She spammed us with it a while ago. Apparently, she's had some memory loss, since she seems to have forgotten our response. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=54792"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=54792[/url]
KnightofChrist Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 [quote name='Mateo el Feo' post='1216996' date='Mar 21 2007, 05:26 PM']Just FYI, we've all been through this letter with Budge before. She spammed us with it a while ago. Apparently, she's had some memory loss, since she seems to have forgotten our response. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=54792"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=54792[/url][/quote] That or she's running out of new material, it happens to every comic eventually...
theculturewarrior Posted March 22, 2007 Author Posted March 22, 2007 [quote name='desertwoman' post='1216994' date='Mar 21 2007, 06:15 PM']Right and I believe this as well, for they went to the corners of the earth to preach the good news of Christ Crucified. We have your Coptics, Antiochean, and so on and so forth.[/quote] That is very interesting. If I were a protestant, and I came to that conclusion, I would convert to either Catholicism or Orthodoxy. What have I missed? Why do you stay?
N/A Gone Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1216229' date='Mar 19 2007, 11:01 PM']You got those who have adapted the sacramentalism of Rome or continued with it.. Lutheranism, [b]Emergent movement[/b] etc. Christians who stick by the Bible, , usually have agree on most basic issues.[/quote] i find it funny that if they dont agree with you, they must not agree with the bible. Why are you so special to know what the proper interpretation is? Does that mean that all the truth of the divine was hidden and perverted until the time of Budge? The fundamentalist movement itself didnt gain steam until the last few hundred years. btw, I know it is fun to throw jargon around and seem smart. But saying the emergent church movement is sacramental in any way is horrible. There is no sense of the sacred. They are aging hippys with relativistic theology and a post-modern ministry approach. Please budge. whats up with the term here? I would like to hear how a movement designed to go against the "higher church" model would get anything but your blessing.
desertwoman Posted March 23, 2007 Posted March 23, 2007 [quote name='theculturewarrior' post='1217216' date='Mar 22 2007, 09:52 AM']That is very interesting. If I were a protestant, and I came to that conclusion, I would convert to either Catholicism or Orthodoxy. What have I missed? Why do you stay?[/quote] There are still some things that I'm weary about and I need to learn about. I don't like jumping from ship to ship without knowing for sure you know?
theculturewarrior Posted March 23, 2007 Author Posted March 23, 2007 Yes! I understand. God bless you on your journey. I will pray that the Holy Spirit guide you to where He wants you to be.
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