Drilling In The Anwr

[Dismas]

I'm all for drilling it now. It might not last more than a couple decades, but really that's all we need.

Consider that as I am typing this, there are people brain-storming ways of excavating huge deposits of oil shale with minimal environmental impact.

Right now, there are methods of converting organic solid waste, from sewage to landfill, into oil. The people developing these methods are less than a decade from making this process profitable.

As for the ANWR itself, it's a proven fact that life flourishes near the drilling sites, at least in comparison to the lifeless, frigid tundra further away.

[dairygirl4u2c]

i'm not sure why you'd think it'd be twenty years. i've heard other people say that too for some reason.
at current consumption, just looking at the raw data, there's a 95 percent probability that ANWR would last 6 months, and a 5 percent probability 2 years. so, at 51 percent, ie more likely than not, there's prob like a year and 3 months or so. even if you assumed we cut our consumption down by a quarter, that'd be 5 years. more likely than not. but, if we drill now, we have no reason to use less and all the reason to use more.
after looking at the raw data, our reserves would only help us out for 55 days at current consumption. if we cut it by a fourth, then two third of a year. probably enough, but i second GWB and say we should double the amount of reserves we have. so, i'm not sure we should drill ANWR until we have more sufficient reserves. my view is that it's contingent.

[Norseman82]

Two words: dilithium crystals.

[Jaime]

The reality is that ANWR would do nothing to drop the price of crude oil. The reason being that the largest supplier of crude to the US is not Venezuela, it is not Saudi Arabia,

Its Canada.

If oil continues to rise in price despite the fact that we are getting it from our next door neighbor, why would drilling in Alaska have any impact at all?

[dairygirl4u2c]

i've heard at its peak production, ANWR would be 20 percent of the US production. now, if you assumed we'd get twenty percent reduction in prices, then maybe we could see gas go down 50 or sixty cents per gallon, 2.20 or so. and that's at its best. but, you could't assume we'd get all the savings, as the oil companies would get the profits still. so, if that is what you jaimie are implying, then sure what's the difference.

it seems almost insane to want to drill ANWR when we have concerns over foreign dependency on oil. especially when the current econ benefic now is so low. and the econ benefit when we'd need it would be high.
and none of the people who are for it that have posted have justified their positions, but have chosen instead to run and hide.
nothing new under the sun.

[XIX]

From what I understand, nuclear power is like flying on a plane. It is scary as all anything, but in reality is it quite safe.

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Edited September 3, 2007 by XIX

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Cure of Ars' post='1376696' date='Sep 2 2007, 11:05 PM']Coal is the energy of the future. Been a bad boy all year so that I can get some from Santa even.[/quote]
This man is right on.

[Jaime]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1376977' date='Sep 3 2007, 01:30 PM']i've heard at its peak production, ANWR would be 20 percent of the US production. now, if you assumed we'd get twenty percent reduction in prices, then maybe we could see gas go down 50 or sixty cents per gallon, 2.20 or so. and that's at its best. but, you could't assume we'd get all the savings, as the oil companies would get the profits still. so, if that is what you jaimie are implying, then sure what's the difference.

it seems almost insane to want to drill ANWR when we have concerns over foreign dependency on oil. especially when the current econ benefic now is so low. and the econ benefit when we'd need it would be high.
and none of the people who are for it that have posted have justified their positions, but have chosen instead to run and hide.
nothing new under the sun.[/quote]


Its also logistics. Canada is closer to us than Alaska. If the largest block of oil we purchase is from Canada, (And ANWR cuts into that) how is it cheaper ?

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1220426' date='Mar 27 2007, 10:11 AM']What about the chemicals used in batteries that are later disposed of in land-fills, causing a much greater environmental danger than carbons?[/quote]

Recycling.