Why Is The Eucharist Needed To Apply The Cross?

[Phoenix Reborn]

[quote name='Budge' post='1228376' date='Apr 3 2007, 09:27 AM']Someone cannot die once and then be dying "for all time"[/quote]

Right there you just refused Jesus's divinity. Jesus isn't just a 'someone.' He's the son of God. He can do anything, making it so he can be dying for all time. You have a flaw there.

[Budge]

[quote]
Right there you just refused Jesus's divinity. Jesus isn't just a 'someone.' He's the son of God. He can do anything, making it so he can be dying for all time. You have a flaw there.
[/quote]All you are doing is helping back up my statement that Roman Catholicism FALSELY keeps Jesus Christ on the cross "forever"

[quote][u]making it so he can be dying for all time.[/u][/quote]

And with that statement, I serious want to vomit.

That is WHAT SATAN would desire.

Jesus Christ CONQUERED SIN AND DEEATH, is alive and in heaven, He said IT IS FINISHED.

Why do you all have a problem with that?

[oh by the way dont think ive missed the pagan avatar]

Edited April 3, 2007 by Budge

[Budge]

By the way what part of

[quote]dieth no more[/quote]from the scripture above, do you do not get.

This contradicts DIRECTLY with your statement.

[quote]making it so he can be dying for all time.[/quote]

[Starets]

This conversation seems to be going around in circles. Maybe the following question will help move this discussion forward. Is God bound by time, yes or no.

Edited April 3, 2007 by Staretz

[Budge]

How about this question.

Why not believed what scripture SAYS?
[b]

Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead[u] dieth no more[/u]; death hath no more dominion over him.[/b]

Obviously since that verse uses the PAST tense, time wasnt suspended there.

[Starets]

Please answer the question asked, and do so with a yes or a no please

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]Someone cannot die once and then be dying "for all time"[/quote]

My apologies. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't saying that Jesus' death suffices for all time.

The interesting question here is the precise nature of time. This is what other people have been trying to get at. Do you have any thoughts on that?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1228376' date='Apr 3 2007, 11:27 AM']That statement contradicts.

Someone cannot die once and then be dying "for all time"[/quote]

Jesus died once for all. No one said He's still dying.

[Laudate_Dominum]

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Peace.

[Sojourner]

Thanks for the links, L_D.

[Budge]

[quote] No one said He's still dying.[/quote]Yes they did....

Phoenix wrote...
[quote]
He's the son of God. He can do anything, [u]making it so he can be dying for all time.[/u] You have a flaw there.[/quote]

[Phoenix Reborn]

So you're taking a quote from an indecisive kid like me? I ain't no apologist.

Edited April 3, 2007 by Phoenix Reborn

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Budge' post='1228876' date='Apr 3 2007, 06:39 PM']Yes they did....

Phoenix wrote...[/quote]
Although I wouldn't presume to speak for Phoenix, I believe that you could take that phrase either as he's continually dying, or that his death is for all time, as in "sufficient to redress the sins of every time." I assume he meant the latter rather than the former.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]Although I wouldn't presume to speak for Phoenix, I believe that you could take that phrase either as he's continually dying, or that his death is for all time, as in "sufficient to redress the sins of every time." I assume he meant the latter rather than the former.[/quote]

That's certainly what I meant. I assumed that Budge would be familiar with the phrase "He died once and for all time" as this is the exact same phrase that evangelical Christians who don't understand the Catholic belief about the Eucharist use to try and persuade me that the Eucharist is an invention.

[Budge]

[quote]"He died once and for all time"[/quote]

Ive never used that.

Jesus Christ is ALIVE and in heaven.

He aint dying no more.

Ive never heard an evangelical use that phrase though Im sure a watered down Emergent type very well could.