To Kujo

[Socrates]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1246563' date='Apr 16 2007, 08:46 PM']Sensetive information about the occult world was revealed to a group of individuals on a public forum - including myself - which has totally turned the occult world upside down.[/quote]
Get off that occult forum! That carp's f---ing up your head.

[Justin (Wiccan)]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1246540' date='Apr 16 2007, 10:34 PM']When did you become a Christian Justin?[/quote]

FT, just as shifting the burden of proof will not avail your arguments, neither will making ad hominem attacks.

If you consider me your enemy, then that is your choice. You may choose to ignore me, or you may choose to "hit me with your best shot." It makes no difference to me, because even if I were the enemy of God (I am not), neither you nor your beliefs have any power over me.

You do not follow God as I understand Him to be, and you have forgotten how God is described in the Bible. You follow the "God" of your own delusions. I pray that one day you will remember the true Creator, and not the delusion you have now.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='Justin (Wiccan)' post='1246594' date='Apr 16 2007, 11:05 PM']FT, just as shifting the burden of proof will not avail your arguments, neither will making ad hominem attacks.

If you consider me your enemy, then that is your choice. You may choose to ignore me, or you may choose to "hit me with your best shot." It makes no difference to me, because even if I were the enemy of God (I am not), neither you nor your beliefs have any power over me.

You do not follow God as I understand Him to be, and you have forgotten how God is described in the Bible. You follow the "God" of your own delusions. I pray that one day you will remember the true Creator, and not the delusion you have now.[/quote]
You're a Wiccan, and a follower of God!

Hmmmmm, wow, so many hats.

If I don't know the true creator, you don't know the true creator either bub. You worship nature, and that breaks the first 3 commandments. If you knew who God was, the first thing you would do is renounce Wicca, for the only reason as you want to do God's will of not following anything but the Bible. Following God and being a Wiccan are mutually exclusive, period.

So you're not only an enemy of the people of God, but you are also an enemy of God period Justin. In the old testament, they would have stoned you. Because scripture said they needed to do that.

Sorry Justin, God calls me to love my enemies, and he knew what he was talking about.

I will take reprove only from my brothers and sisters in Christ only, not by the likes of you.

[kujo]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1246571' date='Apr 16 2007, 10:49 PM']Get off that occult forum! That carp's f---ing up your head.[/quote]

Hey now, Soc...

[Kosh]

Errr....FullTruth? Truth is Truth no matter who says it...even Satan acknowledges God's existance and just b/c he's the Devil doesn't mean he's wrong...becasue that is true. So if Justin has a good point, then you should answer it.


And can I add that a public online forum doesn't seem the type of place God would reveal the secrets of the occult to?


I mean, I agree that being a Wiccan is totally illogical and more importantly WRONG...and contrary to the bible, revalation, and tradition and all that the Catholic Church teaches, but that doesn't mean that his argument or observation is wrong.

Edited April 17, 2007 by Kosh

[Justin (Wiccan)]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1246601' date='Apr 16 2007, 11:18 PM']You're a Wiccan, and a follower of God![/quote]

FT, what do you actually know about Wicca? Do you think we worship Satan?

In Christian teaching, anything that is not of God is of Satan, so it is possible that I may be deceived--after all, I am not omniscient, my knowledge is not perfect, and anybody can be fooled. But the God I worship is the Creater and Sustainer of the Universe--and even if I worship Him imperfectly, ignorantly, and foolishly, I trust that He will make allowances for my ignorance.

[quote]If I don't know the true creator, you don't know the true creator either bub. You worship nature, and that breaks the first 3 commandments.[/quote]Incorrect: Wiccans are often described as "nature worshippers"--sometimes even by Wiccans themselves! But this is a grave error. We see the Creator as manifest in Creation, and while we revere Creation (because God is manifest therein), we worship the Creator.

Catholics would describe my religion as "gravely flawed"--and I quite agree. By the same token, I view their beliefs, and your beliefs, as equally flawed. Paul himself said that we see through a glass darkly towards the end of the passage in I Corinthians that I recommended to you. We are all blindly, imperfectly, and to some extent foolishly reaching for God ... I believe that God, because of His love for us, has overlooked the flaws in our ways of raching out to Him. You believe, and the Catholics here believe, that He overlooked those flaws because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ--I feel this is as much an error as you feel Wiccan beliefs to be.

[quote]If you knew who God was, the first thing you would do is renounce Wicca, for the only reason as you want to do God's will of not following anything but the Bible. Following God and being a Wiccan are mutually exclusive, period.[/quote]

This is your view, and it is the view of the Bible. I have never pretended that Christians would consider my beliefs at all compatable with theirs, and the Catholics here have wholeheartedly agreed with you that, by their best understanding, Wicca is incompatable with following God. Again, I disagree with them as I do with you, but I do so with the greatest of respect for your beliefs.

[quote]So you're not only an enemy of the people of God, but you are also an enemy of God period Justin. In the old testament, they would have stoned you. Because scripture said they needed to do that.

Sorry Justin, God calls me to love my enemies, and he knew what he was talking about.

I will take reprove only from my brothers and sisters in Christ only, not by the likes of you.[/quote]

Again, that is your choice. However, in the previous post, you did not say that I was the enemy of God--you said "As a wiccan, you are my enemy." Again, the choice on how you behave in that regard is yours.

I am not God's enemy. Nor am I your enemy--unless you choose to behave with enmity towards me.

Edited April 17, 2007 by Justin (Wiccan)

[Anthony]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1246601' date='Apr 16 2007, 10:18 PM']You're a Wiccan, and a follower of God!

Hmmmmm, wow, so many hats.

If I don't know the true creator, you don't know the true creator either bub. You worship nature, and that breaks the first 3 commandments. If you knew who God was, the first thing you would do is renounce Wicca, for the only reason as you want to do God's will of not following anything but the Bible. Following God and being a Wiccan are mutually exclusive, period.

So you're not only an enemy of the people of God, but you are also an enemy of God period Justin. In the old testament, they would have stoned you. Because scripture said they needed to do that.

Sorry Justin, God calls me to love my enemies, and he knew what he was talking about.

I will take reprove only from my brothers and sisters in Christ only, not by the likes of you.[/quote]

Where in the Bible did they say that they needed to stone anybody. In fact, I would like to mention that Jesus Himself say that Let He who is without sin cast the first stone. Scripture never said they needed to do that. You need to read scripture before you attack Full Truth.