Contraception?

[jckinsman]

Never knew or heard until I was 20, (and I was cradle catholic) the teaching of "why" the church teaches what it does on birth control! Why is this subject so ignored by priests and laity? The teaching is so true, if you look at the bigger picture, at where contraception has taken us! I think this is one of the more crucial teachings to educate are young people with. Your Thoughts?????? God Bless! JC

[Katholikos]

Amen! Shout it from the rooftops!

Every Christian denomination believed and taught that contraception was evil until 1930 when the Episcopalians held their Lambeth Conference. They voted to allow contraception in certain limited circumstances. Before long, it was acceptable in any circumstance. Soon, all Protestant churches had caved in. Even the Eastern Orthodox now allow contraception, overturning centuries of opposition. They all flip-flopped. Now the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church stands alone in teaching God's Truth.

This is the way it was explained to me when I was Southern Baptist: God designed human beings to be co-creators with Him in bringing new life into the world. But He is very pleased when humans find a way to thwart His design. Clever men, God is so proud of you! Sex without consequences. Self-mutilation is one technique man has for controling God's design. Good! Atta boy! Using chemicals that may cause heart attacks, blood clots, and stroke? God to man: "I knew you could do it, find a way around the way I made you to subvert my commandment that you be fruitful and multiply! Congratulations!"

Likos

[Aloysius]

People are in absolute rebellion against God's commandment and the true teaching of Christ's Church, and it's absolutely ridiculous and destructive to civilization. God help those married couples who contracept, because they are dividing their relationship and will almost certainly, statistically speaking, end in divorce. And they are gravely sinning, killing grace in their souls and putting themselves in danger of eternal hellfire.

It's really sad and terrible; and the silent priests who stand in rebellion to the teaching of the Church will have much to answer for on the day of judgement, they are more in danger of eternal hellfire even than those who are practicing it in ignorance.

It is one of the greatest evils of our times.

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AMEN!!!!

I raised a stink because it wasnt mentioned in our pre-marriage prep classes. So I created some heat. But Im a convert and the only reason I knew before was because I researched it.

[thessalonian]

With Christopher West's series on JP II's Theology of the Body it is getting more attention these days. I highly recommend that you work on getting your pastor to allow you to run an 8 week DVD study at your parish. It's EXCELLENT and he is a great speaker. Contraception is just one of the many issues it hits on. Celebacy of the priesthood, homosexuality, lust vs. love. Even why it is wrong for a husband to lust after his wife. It's a great marriage prep. Unless your incredibly stuborn i can't imagine someone disagreeing with the Church on these matters after having gone through this 8 week course.

www.christopherwest.com

Edited April 17, 2007 by thessalonian

[Sojourner]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1247189' date='Apr 17 2007, 02:01 PM']With Christopher West's series on JP II's Theology of the Body it is getting more attention these days. I highly recommend that you work on getting your pastor to allow you to run an 8 week DVD study at your parish. It's EXCELLENT and he is a great speaker. Contraception is just one of the many issues it hits on. Celebacy of the priesthood, homosexuality, lust vs. love. Even why it is wrong for a husband to lust after his wife. It's a great marriage prep. Unless your incredibly stuborn i can't imagine someone disagreeing with the Church on these matters after having gone through this 8 week course.

www.christopherwest.com[/quote]


He is really good on this topic. And there are shorter courses as well, if you don't want do do a full-out 8 weeks.

[Phoenix Reborn]

I haven't read TotB yet (nor will I for probably quite some time), but according to the critics (aka my mom and Heyyoimjohnny) in my house, yeah, it's pretty good.

Edited April 17, 2007 by Phoenix Reborn

[SJRod55]

ToB is Excellent! Even at 12 or 13 there are great points that can be addressed and discussed.

[thessalonian]

As I understand it he has a version for youth as well for about 14 bucks.

[Sojourner]

There was a priest in my former diocese who put on several discussions for parents who wanted to know how to communicated TOTB to their kids ... it was packed out every time he did it.

[jckinsman]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1247189' date='Apr 17 2007, 03:01 PM']With Christopher West's series on JP II's Theology of the Body it is getting more attention these days. I highly recommend that you work on getting your pastor to allow you to run an 8 week DVD study at your parish. It's EXCELLENT and he is a great speaker. Contraception is just one of the many issues it hits on. Celebacy of the priesthood, homosexuality, lust vs. love. Even why it is wrong for a husband to lust after his wife. It's a great marriage prep. Unless your incredibly stuborn i can't imagine someone disagreeing with the Church on these matters after having gone through this 8 week course.

www.christopherwest.com[/quote]
If you only knew the Parish that I was at!!! YIKES!!!!!! I am going to check it out and order it anyway.....I will do it at my house if I have too! Thank you!
Do women really think that this was a freedom for them??? JC

[Sojourner]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1247243' date='Apr 17 2007, 02:53 PM']If you only knew the Parish that I was at!!! YIKES!!!!!! I am going to check it out and order it anyway.....I will do it at my house if I have too! Thank you!
Do women really think that this was a freedom for them??? JC[/quote]
You should indeed check it out and order it anyway. It is well worth the investment, any of those products. I gave a copy of one West's beginner book to my brother and his wife (Protestants now becoming Catholic, praise God!) and it's led them to do a lot of soul searching in this area.

And yes women do see contraception as a freedom. It enables them to pursue things such as career without the encumberance of children. No children = freedom.

I posted this link earlier in another thread, but it is well worth reading: [url="http://www.mirrorofjustice.com/mirrorofjustice/scaperlanda/sexmarriageandprocreation.pdf"]Sex, Marriage and Procreation[/url]

It's a paper presented at a Christian Legal Society seminar a few years ago by a Catholic professor who teaches at the University of Oklahoma School of Law. Well worth the read, even though it's long. It shows the jurisprudential link between legalizing contraception in the U.S. and the deterioration we see now in views on marriage, etc. Very interesting.

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Go to the trans board. Im doing a debate on this in my class an could use some other help

[thessalonian]

[quote name='jckinsman' post='1247243' date='Apr 17 2007, 03:53 PM']If you only knew the Parish that I was at!!! YIKES!!!!!! I am going to check it out and order it anyway.....I will do it at my house if I have too! Thank you!
Do women really think that this was a freedom for them??? JC[/quote]

Pray for your parish and preist. Be charitable. 5 years ago this study never would have happened at ours either. Some young people got together and approached the pastor about it and after much coaxing he let them do it and it turned out great. They had 60-80 people every week. We're doing it at another parish I go to this summer. My men's group is sponsering that one.

Go to the Knights of Columbus if your a member or something. Enlist support of others once you have heard some of the info.

Contraception can be linked to:

Divorce
Pornograph and the objectification of women
Poverty of women and children
Single parent families
STD's
Teenage promiscuity
Abortion
Increased crime
I am sure there are more.

Sound like freedom to you?

Edited April 17, 2007 by thessalonian

[jckinsman]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1247314' date='Apr 17 2007, 05:20 PM']Pray for your parish and preist. Be charitable. 5 years ago this study never would have happened at ours either. Some young people got together and approached the pastor about it and after much coaxing he let them do it and it turned out great. They had 60-80 people every week. We're doing it at another parish I go to this summer. My men's group is sponsering that one.

Go to the Knights of Columbus if your a member or something. Enlist support of others once you have heard some of the info.

Contraception can be linked to:

Divorce
Pornograph and the objectification of women
Poverty of women and children
Single parent families
STD's
Teenage promiscuity
Abortion
Increased crime
I am sure there are more.

Sound like freedom to you?[/quote]
It really sounds like horrible oppression to me! My husband is a Knight,that sounds like the place to start! After I get the information! This subject is such a HOT BUTTON topic people don't even what to touch it! Thank you! ................Right now ,at this very moment,,,,my little girl is singing ,very sweetly in the other room.......coloring away in here little book! (she is one of six,so far) Thank you Lord for the gift of children!

[thessalonian]

All children are from God. I recieved absolute confirmation of that on our 8th child. It's been a while since I posted this story. I couldn't make this up.

Nearly three years ago my wife began a strong spiritual connection and devotion to Blessed Gianna Beretta Molla. Blessed Gianna is a woman who choose to save her child (she was diagnosed with cancer) rather than her own life (www.gianna.org). Prayers to this woman have never failed my wife. Five years ago we were in Fargo after our boy was born. We stopped at a local Catholic book store as my wife was looking for an NFP book. She was thinking we were going to slow down on having babies for a while. This woman strongly believed that Catholics were using NFP for birth control and so she didn't even have an NFP book in her store. The woman also gave us a pamplet on the Blessed Gianna Maternity Home. My wife was thrilled. My wife said if Andrew had been a girl we were thinking of naming him Gianna. She said "you can name your next baby Gianna". Well two years later our baby was due in the middle of May. We found out that she was a girl in January and in February Pope JP II anounced that he was going to canonize blessed Gianna Berreta Molla, Saint Gianna, guess when, Middle of May, May 16th. Our baby was due in the middle of May. Not only that but before we choose the name, the woman we invited to be Godmother before we knew of this canonizatoin said she would be going to Rome in May. Turns out she was at the canonization. Also the doctor who delivered our baby has a baby girl who's middle name is Gianna and has my wife found out she had a strong devotion to this little known, soon to be, saint. Our baby was the last one she delivered before she went to Rome!

This little girl 3 years later is such a blessing. The cutest, sassiest little thing you ever met.

Edited April 17, 2007 by thessalonian

[Resurrexi]

[quote][b]Casti Connubii, Encyclical of Pope Pius XI:[/b]
56. Since, therefore, openly departing from the uninterrupted Christian tradition some recently have judged it possible solemnly to declare another doctrine regarding this question, the Catholic Church, to whom God has entrusted the defense of the integrity and purity of morals, standing erect in the midst of the moral ruin which surrounds her, in order that she may preserve the chastity of the nuptial union from being defiled by this foul stain, raises her voice in token of her divine ambassadorship and through Our mouth proclaims anew: any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offense against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin.
[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/...onnubii_en.html[/url][/quote]

[MissScripture]

I think it's odd that people who would normally scrutinize everything that goes into their body, don't think anything of taking birth control.

[jckinsman]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1247410' date='Apr 17 2007, 06:48 PM']All children are from God. I recieved absolute confirmation of that on our 8th child. It's been a while since I posted this story. I couldn't make this up.

Nearly three years ago my wife began a strong spiritual connection and devotion to Blessed Gianna Beretta Molla. Blessed Gianna is a woman who choose to save her child (she was diagnosed with cancer) rather than her own life (www.gianna.org). Prayers to this woman have never failed my wife. Five years ago we were in Fargo after our boy was born. We stopped at a local Catholic book store as my wife was looking for an NFP book. She was thinking we were going to slow down on having babies for a while. This woman strongly believed that Catholics were using NFP for birth control and so she didn't even have an NFP book in her store. The woman also gave us a pamplet on the Blessed Gianna Maternity Home. My wife was thrilled. My wife said if Andrew had been a girl we were thinking of naming him Gianna. She said "you can name your next baby Gianna". Well two years later our baby was due in the middle of May. We found out that she was a girl in January and in February Pope JP II anounced that he was going to canonize blessed Gianna Berreta Molla, Saint Gianna, guess when, Middle of May, May 16th. Our baby was due in the middle of May. Not only that but before we choose the name, the woman we invited to be Godmother before we knew of this canonizatoin said she would be going to Rome in May. Turns out she was at the canonization. Also the doctor who delivered our baby has a baby girl who's middle name is Gianna and has my wife found out she had a strong devotion to this little known, soon to be, saint. Our baby was the last one she delivered before she went to Rome!

This little girl 3 years later is such a blessing. The cutest, sassiest little thing you ever met.[/quote]
Wow! What a cool story!!! I love the name Gianna! I wanted our last girl to have that name!!!! but I had six other opinions.(my very good friend 6 Months later ,named her 8th little girl,Gianna)!......... Which your story made me curious about the lady in the store,who would not sell NFP books, because she was afraid catholics were using NFP as birth control ! My husband and I took an NFP class, seven years ago. I had never been to one.............truthfully I did not know what one was. (My story is a long one) I do not think that I enjoyed it. I think that with all of what they teach you these days, using it as"Catholic birth control"is very likely! So is that what NFP is all about?????????? The classes never (the ones we attended) taught the one crucial asspect of it. GOD! Just all the jibber-jabber on temps and charts (at this point I will not go into detail) YUKKO!...........I have found, that using NFP,(or not) Above all...is a true test of how much you are attached to this world and
How much you really, truly in the depths of your soul ,KNOW that God is the one in control.....not you! Much easier said then done! So In a world that would like to kill you before you were born,fill your head with a bunch a garbage about"your sexuality",Tell you its okay to fornicate,masterbate and any other "ate" word they can think of. Then when satans used you all up he spits you out into a nursing home where your 1.7 children do not have the time to visit you.....and they wait for you to die, because you are old and a burden on them, and society! CULTURE of DEATH,Folks! "Its all about me!" I ask, When do you think this all started going this way???? ( I have stepped down off my soapbox now) JC

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[quote name='MissScripture' post='1247794' date='Apr 18 2007, 02:08 AM']I think it's odd that people who would normally scrutinize everything that goes into their body, don't think anything of taking birth control.[/quote]

Im gonna use that tommorow in my debate...woo-woot