Should The Motu Proprio Be Released?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Premed_Jakey' post='1305879' date='Jun 29 2007, 04:28 PM']I feel bad, because no matter how much I read on the net, I still dont feel as if I have a good understanding of the TM. Is there a thread on the board or the defense directory or something that could explain it better (Or do ya'll know of a good site?)

I am however excited. I would like too experience a TM, and it would seem that with MP it would be easier for me to do that, so w00t w00t!

I love my German Shepard! <3[/quote]

You can see if you have a TLM in your area by gong here:
[url="http://www.fssp.com/main/uscan.html"]http://www.fssp.com/main/uscan.html[/url]

or here:
[url="http://www.institute-christ-king.org/"]http://www.institute-christ-king.org/[/url]

you can also see a good video of a TLM here:

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=830868996440594893&q=Traditional+Latin+Mass"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=83...onal+Latin+Mass[/url]

[Moneybags]

Should the Motu Proprio on the TLM be released?: YES.

I would even say yes to the question: Should the TLM permanently replace the Novus Ordo?

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='prose' post='1305871' date='Jun 29 2007, 04:15 PM']I voted no just to rock the boat [/quote]


[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1305893' date='Jun 29 2007, 04:45 PM']Should the Motu Proprio on the TLM be released?: YES.

I would even say yes to the question: Should the TLM permanently replace the Novus Ordo?[/quote]

Benedict's rocking beat yours.

[Apotheoun]

Of course it should be released, because the wider use of the older Roman liturgy will benefit the Latin Church.

[Didymus]

[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1305893' date='Jun 29 2007, 05:45 PM']Should the Motu Proprio on the TLM be released?: YES.

I would even say yes to the question: Should the TLM permanently replace the Novus Ordo?[/quote]

I believe that's sorely missing the intent of the Motu Proprio.

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Anyways, I guess you can say I'm not so much excited for the universal indult as i am excited for the future of the Church as we undergo a real and healthy transition to the Novus Ordo by going back to our roots and allowing them to directly influence how we go about the ecumenical movement. The Faithful need to learn more about the Tridentine Mass so that the Novus Ordo will be best and most reverently celebrated. We will thus be more ecumenical as we move to make our action and prayer so much more directed towards the power of the Holy Spirit.

I think in the long run, Pope Benedict's actions will bring many more into the fold than all the media believes will leave...

[EJames]

another Poll on said subject here
[url="http://www.startribune.com/10142/story/1273675.html"]http://www.startribune.com/10142/story/1273675.html[/url]

[Resurrexi]

[quote]another Poll on said subject here
[url="http://www.startribune.com/10142/story/1273675.html"]http://www.startribune.com/10142/story/1273675.html[/url][/quote]

Yep, that was the poll which inspired this thread.

[quote]I believe that's sorely missing the intent of the Motu Proprio.

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Anyways, I guess you can say I'm not so much excited for the universal indult as i am excited for the future of the Church as we undergo a real and healthy transition to the Novus Ordo by going back to our roots and allowing them to directly influence how we go about the ecumenical movement. The Faithful need to learn more about the Tridentine Mass so that the Novus Ordo will be best and most reverently celebrated. We will thus be more ecumenical as we move to make our action and prayer so much more directed towards the power of the Holy Spirit.

I think in the long run, Pope Benedict's actions will bring many more into the fold than all the media believes will leave...[/quote]

I'm with St.Benedict on this one.

[jeffpugh]

Speaking of St. Benedict, his feast is coming up on July 11!

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1306035' date='Jun 29 2007, 08:24 PM']Speaking of St. Benedict, his feast is coming up on July 11![/quote]

No that's St. Pius I feast and my birthday!

[jeffpugh]

Dang... I must be following a different Callendar. what is the date then?

Edited June 30, 2007 by Sacred Music Man

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1306188' date='Jun 29 2007, 09:40 PM']Dang... I must be following a different Callendar. what is the date then?[/quote]

go here:

[url="http://www.breviary.net/martyrology/mart03/mart0321.htm"]http://www.breviary.net/martyrology/mart03/mart0321.htm[/url]

[Didymus]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1305966' date='Jun 29 2007, 08:29 PM']I'm with St.Benedict on this one.[/quote]

i'll bet you are.

try reading some of Pope Benedict's writings.

I'm with him...

[Didymus]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1306035' date='Jun 29 2007, 09:24 PM']Speaking of St. Benedict, his feast is coming up on July 11![/quote]


[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1306041' date='Jun 29 2007, 09:26 PM']No that's St. Pius I feast and my birthday![/quote]


[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1306188' date='Jun 29 2007, 10:40 PM']Dang... I must be following a different Callendar. what is the date then?[/quote]


[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1306207' date='Jun 29 2007, 10:45 PM']go here:

[url="http://www.breviary.net/martyrology/mart03/mart0321.htm"]http://www.breviary.net/martyrology/mart03/mart0321.htm[/url][/quote]

check out:

[url="http://www.universalis.com/-500/calendar.htm"]http://www.universalis.com/-500/calendar.htm[/url]

breviary.net follows the Breviary instuctions from Divino Afflatu of Pope St. Pius X. (Thus I would think it's the old calendar)

I think July 11 is significant because it was when we celebrated Benedict's being the Father of Western monasticism.

[Didymus]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1306275' date='Jun 29 2007, 11:21 PM']i'll bet you are.

try reading some of Pope Benedict's writings.

I'm with him...[/quote]


e.g.

from [i]Sacramentum Caritatis[/i], introduction/#3:

[quote]The Eleventh Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops, held from 2-23 October 2005 in the Vatican, gratefully acknowledged the guidance of the Holy Spirit in this rich history. In a particular way, the Synod Fathers acknowledged and reaffirmed the beneficial influence on the Church's life of the liturgical renewal which began with the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council. The Synod of Bishops was able to evaluate the reception of the renewal in the years following the Council. There were many expressions of appreciation. [b]The difficulties and even the occasional abuses which were noted, it was affirmed, cannot overshadow the benefits and the validity of the liturgical renewal, [size=3]whose riches are yet to be fully explored[/size]. Concretely, the changes which the Council called for need to be understood within the overall unity of the historical development of the rite itself, without the introduction of artificial discontinuities.[/b][/quote] [emphasis added] [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_ben-xvi_exh_20070222_sacramentum-caritatis_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict...ritatis_en.html[/url]

the frame of mind claiming that the Pope's act of restoring a universal indult is an act against the Novus Ordo is inherently contrary to what Benedict is actually trying to do. It is obvious that Benedict is looking even now towards the future of the Roman Rite Church which will eventually pray one Mass universally, and that will be the New Mass, fully and respectfully transitioned from the Tridentine.

Edited June 30, 2007 by Didymus