"Summorum Pontificum"

[KnightofChrist]

[center][size=4][b]Long Live Pope Benedict The Great!
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[Romans1513]

[quote name='cappie' post='1315022' date='Jul 6 2007, 04:25 AM']* And, most crucially, while bishops are “earnestly requested to grant [the] desire” for public celebrations expressed by the extraordinary use's devotees, recourse to the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei is foreseen in cases of “a Bishop who desires to make provision for requests of lay faithful of this kind, but is for various reasons prevented from doing so.” The indult-overseeing body is to respond with its “advice and help.”[/quote]

Yes, I read the caveats the first time, I was hoping for an expalanation or something. Maybe I'm just missing it. I'm confused by the one I quoted above I guess- makes it seem like the bishop's permission is still needed?

[Marieteresa]

Does anyone know when it will take affect? Do most priests even know how to say TLM?

[bonoducchi]

[quote name='Marieteresa' post='1316536' date='Jul 7 2007, 11:06 AM']Does anyone know when it will take affect? Do most priests even know how to say TLM?[/quote]
This will take effect September 14, the Triumph of the Holy Cross.

Most priests do not know how to worthily celebrate the Old Missal; consequently, requests for the celebration of the Old Rite may still be licitly denied if no worthy minister is available. If there is no one to celebrate the rite, then the Ordinary is charged with making provision for the requests, seeking assistance from Ecclasiae Dei, if neccesary.

[mortify]

Wonderful

Still, we must hope that the liturgy is done properly, or else we might get a clown performing the Tridentine mass.

Much more work remains to be done!

Edited July 7, 2007 by mortify

[Marieteresa]

Oh so September 14..Sigh, I was just about to call up my local parish and ask when they will be having TLM. Thanks for answering my questions.

[Akalyte]

[quote name='mortify' post='1316556' date='Jul 7 2007, 11:35 AM']Wonderful

Still, we must hope that the liturgy is done properly, or else we might get a clown performing the Tridentine mass.

Much more work remains to be done![/quote]

God save us! lol

[kafka]

I like the fireworks Cappie that says it all for me!

Let the games begin!

[brendan1104]

Yes, that's currently a practice in Ecclesia Dei monasteries in France. The Latin readings are skipped or only begun/ended in Latin, while the vernacular (traditional or revised) readings are chanted/read.

[quote name='Pio Nono' post='1316485' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:36 AM']JMJ
7/7 - Thirteenth Saturday

I'm confused by the thing about the Lectionaries. Is it saying that the priest can read the readings in the vernacular at the Tridentine Liturgy? I know they read them in the vernacular right before the homily, but would this change it to taking the place of the normal, Latin readings?[/quote]

[Apotheoun]

As a Byzantine Catholic I am happy that the older Roman Rite will once again be celebrated in the Latin Church.

This could even help ecumenical dialogue with the Eastern Orthodox, since they are often shocked by the modern banality of the celebration of Mass according to the Pauline Missal.

[Deus te Amat]

:lol_grin:

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='mortify' post='1316556' date='Jul 7 2007, 11:35 AM']Wonderful

Still, we must hope that the liturgy is done properly, or else we might get a clown performing the Tridentine mass.

Much more work remains to be done![/quote]
Yes, and that is going to be a difficult task. I think I've already just been promoted to altar server for our indult Mass and now I'll be expected to train the others, because I'm the only one who knows Latin around here. :

[kafka]

Just finished reading. If we could do sound attachments I would be playing Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture for everyone

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='kafka' post='1316662' date='Jul 7 2007, 11:53 AM']Just finished reading. If we could do sound attachments I would be playing Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture for everyone[/quote]


You can, mp3 at or under 50k!

[tojo]

Congratulations Latinmassers!

Although I'm not a Latinmasser myself, I'm happy for the Church to take a conservative move.

May the increase of Masses said in Latin inspire more reverence in the Masses said in the vernacular!

[mortify]

This one's for you Father!

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Bottoms up, mate!

[cappie]

[kafka]

I like this taken from an article on Catholic World News:

Why it was needed

From the first days of his pontificate, Benedict XVI has emphasized the continuity of the Catholic tradition, insisting that the teachings of Vatican II must be interpreted in light of the constant teachings of the Church in the preceding centuries. With Summorum Pontificum he applies that same rule to the Roman liturgy-- and provides new norms of canon law to carry out that rule.

Even before he became Pope Benedict XVI, in his many written works on the liturgy, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger remarked that the Novus Ordo liturgy was not the organic reform that had been recommended by Vatican II, but a break in continuity-- a new form that had been imposed upon the faithful, while the old order of the Mass was abruptly discarded. In the opening passage of Summorum Pontificum, Pope Benedict indirectly refers to that complaint when he says that the universal Church must uphold "the usages universally handed down by apostolic and unbroken tradition."

[Ash Wednesday]

It's nice that the universal response on the board has been joy rather than some kind of debate.

I love Pope Benedict XVI!

[EJames]

[quote name='mortify' post='1316865' date='Jul 7 2007, 01:32 PM']This one's for you Father!

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Bottoms up, mate![/quote]
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