If You Get Raped, Or Become Endebted

[Cure of Ars]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1368221' date='Aug 22 2007, 06:04 PM']dairy,
I'm not one to claim that my opinion is 'correct' since I don't claim to be Catholic and thusly, claim to have the 'infallible' response.[/quote]


I don’t claim that my arguments made here are ‘infallible’. As far as I know the Catholic Church has not made a definitive statement on this issue. A lot of it is speculation on my part but I believe it is true.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Cure of Ars' post='1368337' date='Aug 22 2007, 09:39 PM']I don’t claim that my arguments made here are ‘infallible’. As far as I know the Catholic Church has not made a definitive statement on this issue. A lot of it is speculation on my part but I believe it is true.[/quote]LOL. Chill, thumper. I wasn't refering to any specific person, fictional or real.

[Cure of Ars]

sorry if I came off angry Edited August 23, 2007 by Cure of Ars

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Cure of Ars' post='1368389' date='Aug 22 2007, 10:06 PM']

sorry if I came off angry[/quote]
No, you didn't seem angry, just not right.

I mean not right as in error, not wrong, or just not right.

[dairygirl4u2c]

the principle of double effect is frankly often a cop out. sometimes i think it could be legitimately used, like if you want to save the world and hitler is going to use a mega bomb to blow it up but hitler is in a building that is going to collapse, you are not killing him by not saving him even if you could without harm to yourself or anyone. the end was good of the world being saved.
then you get into other things like this example where it doesn't cut it. (or the classic example where it doesn't cut it, you cut out a phalopian tube, but don't kill the embryo in ecopic pregnancies and say you didn't kill the embryo but just "let it died". i think the end does justify the means in this case. and in cases where you simply have to do something evil to get a greater good, like robbing a store to appease a lunatic. if you were to say it's not really evil to begin with, i think this logic could be applied to most ends justifies the means situations and aht would go against the whole point of the ends justifies the means argument)
with all that as teh necessary background...

here it doesn't fly, cause God is saying.... "the rapist must marry the raper" he's not jus allowing it. or, "kill the innocent with the guilty" sure, he's not doing it himself, but he essentially is, or at least allowing others to justify the means. unless it wouldn't be wrong for me to say "go kill him so we can save them" but itwould be wrong for the person who actually kills him.

[dairygirl4u2c]

i've also never heard of "the end doesn't justify the means... unless the means are the lesser of several evils, then it's okay, even if it's not the lowest evil" that's what the arguments here are.
that logic could be applied in so many situations that it would essentially negate the "end justifies the means aregunet"

i think people have to admit that the ends sometimes do justify the means, just not all the time. and whatever the case, the stuff in this thread of the OT isn't just justying any menas for a good end, but rather sheer brutality with no good ends. eg "marry the raper" "kill the good with the bad"

i remember budge one time ripping on catholics, saying that they think women shold be barefoot and dirty etc. but, if you read the quotes i posted, the bible says this very thing. her precious "infallible" bible, yea...


i remember when i was catho, i'd ignore these sorts of things. i'd say.... "well, i'll just assume that the bible is true for the sake of argument etc even though i'm wondering. right now i have to focus on the arguments against protestants". it was all just theory and ignoring the truth, for the sake of argument....
it'd be big if any would admit they were or are doing the same thing. i'd think i wasn't the only one.

Edited October 18, 2007 by dairygirl4u2c

[dairygirl4u2c]

"i'm not killing him to save them.... i'm simply putting him in a room where he has no food or water, and if you happens to die well..." is the same as cutting out the fallopian tube. is the same as many things.

[dairygirl4u2c]

whenever i want reassurance that many if not most christians have problems, i just look at this thread and threads similar to it.