Resurrexi Posted February 11, 2010 Posted February 11, 2010 The St. Luke's Gospel is awesome. I love the Gospel Canticles (i.e., the Benedictus, the Magnificat, and the Nunc Dimittis), all of which are found in Luke.
reyb Posted February 11, 2010 Author Posted February 11, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='11 February 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1265930689' post='2055507'] The St. Luke's Gospel is awesome. I love the Gospel Canticles (i.e., the Benedictus, the Magnificat, and the Nunc Dimittis), all of which are found in Luke. [/quote] Again, Is Luke a true witness of Jesus Christ or not?
KeenanParkerII Posted February 11, 2010 Posted February 11, 2010 [quote]Again, Is Luke a true witness of Jesus Christ or not?[/quote] Of course.
cmotherofpirl Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='reyb' date='11 February 2010 - 07:31 PM' timestamp='1265931072' post='2055510'] Again, Is Luke a true witness of Jesus Christ or not? [/quote] You have had an answer from the very first page: YES.
reyb Posted February 12, 2010 Author Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='11 February 2010 - 06:45 PM' timestamp='1265931941' post='2055522'] Of course. [/quote] [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='11 February 2010 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1265944658' post='2055627'] You have had an answer from the very first page: YES. [/quote] According to http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9403ntg.asp: Luke was not an eyewitness of our Lord's life. Therefore, when he refers in his introduction to the sources he has used, he includes those "who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word" (1:2), among the most outstanding of whom was the Blessed Virgin Mary. It must have been she who provided most of the information Luke gives in the first chapters of his Gospel. May I know how Luke becomes a true witness with respect to the above presentation? How about in Luke Chapter 4:1 -4:13, who gives this 'information' to Luke? Edited February 12, 2010 by reyb
reyb Posted February 12, 2010 Author Posted February 12, 2010 This is our subject verse - Luke 4:1-13: [color="#FF0000"]4:1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. 3 The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread." 4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone.'" 5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 So if you worship me, it will all be yours." 8 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" 9 The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here. 10 For it is written: "'He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully; 11 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'" 12 Jesus answered, "It says: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'" 13 When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time. [/color] NIV ----------------------------- If the above presentation on how Luke becomes a true witness, is correct. Who give this 'information' (about the temptation of Jesus by the Devil) to Luke’. It is the Devil or Jesus himself? (Is there anyone who witness this temptation?)
Gregorius Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 Have a look at [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09420a.htm#II"]this page[/url] for basics on Luke's Gospel. Let me ask this question: was Jesus tempted by the devil?
reyb Posted February 12, 2010 Author Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Gregorius' date='12 February 2010 - 01:46 AM' timestamp='1265957174' post='2055730'] Let me ask this question: was Jesus tempted by the devil? [/quote] Why? It is written in the scripture Isn’t it? Now, since you said Luke is not an eyewitness of Jesus Christ; from whom this 'information' comes from? Okay. I will repeat your [url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9403ntg.asp "]Church’s tradition in relation to the introduction of Luke as follows:[/url] [quote] Luke was not an eyewitness of our Lord's life. Therefore, when he refers in his introduction to the sources he has used, he includes those "who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word" (1:2), among the most outstanding of whom was the Blessed Virgin Mary. [/quote] If your Church tradition/teaching is correct who is Luke’s source of information when he wrote this Chapter 4? Edited February 12, 2010 by reyb
Socrates Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='reyb' date='12 February 2010 - 01:12 PM' timestamp='1265998357' post='2055948'] Why? It is written in the scripture Isn’t it? Now, since you said Luke is not an eyewitness of Jesus Christ; from whom this 'information' comes from? Okay. I will repeat your [url="http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9403ntg.asp "]Church’s tradition in relation to the introduction of Luke as follows:[/url] If your Church tradition/teaching is correct who is Luke’s source of information when he wrote this Chapter 4? [/quote] Probably Christ's Apostles or perhaps the Blessed Mother, who heard about it from Christ Himself. Round 3: Historical Jesus: 213, Non-historical Jesus: 0
KeenanParkerII Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 Can someone just delete this guys threads and give him a warning or something. He's obviously not here to develop his understanding. All he wants to do is question people's beliefs and bait people.
Slappo Posted February 12, 2010 Posted February 12, 2010 When I first read this thread title I thought Star Wars. May the force be with you
reyb Posted February 13, 2010 Author Posted February 13, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='12 February 2010 - 02:46 PM' timestamp='1266003974' post='2055984'] My eyes... [/quote] [quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='12 February 2010 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1266009949' post='2056041'] Can someone just delete this guys threads and give him a warning or something. He's obviously not here to develop his understanding. All he wants to do is question people's beliefs and bait people. [/quote] [quote name='Slappo' date='12 February 2010 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1266011882' post='2056083'] When I first read this thread title I thought Star Wars. May the force be with you [/quote] [quote name='Gregorius' date='12 February 2010 - 07:34 PM' timestamp='1266021240' post='2056164'] And with your spirit. [/quote] So, who is Luke's 'informant' in Luke's Chapter 4?
KeenanParkerII Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 ..... [img]http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0810/star-warsstar-trek-wars-cubby-demotivational-poster-1223086897.jpg[/img]
cmotherofpirl Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 [quote name='reyb' date='12 February 2010 - 10:23 PM' timestamp='1266027823' post='2056207'] So, who is Luke's 'informant' in Luke's Chapter 4? [/quote] Obviously Jesus described his ordeal to someone who recorded it. But it doesn't matter what we tell you because you won't believe it anyway.
Slappo Posted February 13, 2010 Posted February 13, 2010 [quote name='reyb' date='12 February 2010 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1266027823' post='2056207'] So, who is Luke's 'informant' in Luke's Chapter 4? [/quote] God. Not necessarily in the person of Jesus though.
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