Bridge Collapse In Mpls

[Lil Red]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1346413' date='Aug 1 2007, 06:27 PM']btw, HSfam and RussianGirl are accounted for.[/quote]
thank God!

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1347067' date='Aug 2 2007, 05:58 AM']I'm still waiting to hear from a couple of people. But it looks like all my loved ones are safe.

This is just awful[/quote]
i'm glad you are okay!

[quote name='Lioness For Christ' post='1347162' date='Aug 2 2007, 09:06 AM']Veritas is okay... [/quote]
thank God!

Lord we offer up to prayer to you all those who have died, all the injured, and all of their families. Keep them close to you and comfort them. Amen.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1347183' date='Aug 2 2007, 11:34 AM'] Lord we offer up to prayer to you all those who have died, all the injured, and all of their families. Keep them close to you and comfort them. Amen.[/quote]
amen

[the_rev]

[quote]I think we need to be careful in how we talk about God's grace in this situation. There were many people who died ... were they not as deserving of escaping death as those who got off the highway to pee? I think we can talk about this all being within God's will -- both those who died and those who lived -- but I am reluctant to apply the term "miracle" to the people who were not killed.[/quote]

I read through the entire five pages, and I understand your thoughts Terra Firma, the fact is maybe those who got off before the bridge were not in the perfect grace to meet there Lord, and that is why their life was spared, whereas those who have passed were in God's grace and ready to meet Christ, that is the way I usually look at tragedies, and the stories that come afterward about how they were going to go over or be in one spot but then weren't.

Anyways, I'm definitly offering my prayers, I hope all our seminarians from the MN-St. Paul area are ok.

[thessalonian]

I don't see myself as being more perfect for missing a close call. Not by any means. It just wasn't my time to go.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='the_rev' post='1347202' date='Aug 2 2007, 10:59 AM']I read through the entire five pages, and I understand your thoughts Terra Firma, the fact is maybe those who got off before the bridge were not in the perfect grace to meet there Lord, and that is why their life was spared, whereas those who have passed were in God's grace and ready to meet Christ, that is the way I usually look at tragedies, and the stories that come afterward about how they were going to go over or be in one spot but then weren't.[/quote]
I'm sorry, but neither you nor I is in a position to judge whether someone is in perfect grace.



However we should indeed be praying for those who were killed and injured and for grieving families.

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='Budge' post='1347145' date='Aug 2 2007, 10:51 AM']The infrastructure in America is failing, {remember the pipe exploding in NYC, just a week ago, killing someone?}
we are spending billions of dollars a day in the ME, while things fall apart at home...{think New Orleans water dikes}
Anyone else here see a problem with that. i just read the fiasco cost 1 trillion dollars in Iraq, imagine if that money had been invested here and in our infrastructure instead. This kind of thing is going to get worse and worse. America is turning into a third world country. The good stuff built in the 50s and 60s is starting to collapse with no money to replace it at level needed. I am angry that these innocent American people have died for this neglect.[/quote]

Bravo! Way to politicize this when they haven't even pulled people out of the water yet!

Edited August 2, 2007 by Ash Wednesday

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1347210' date='Aug 2 2007, 12:14 PM']I'm sorry, but neither you nor I is in a position to judge whether someone is in perfect grace.
However we should indeed be praying for those who were killed and injured and for grieving families.[/quote]

I agree. We must be nuetral regarding those who were on and thos who just missed going down with it (don't judge me folks. I ain't perfect but I don't think I would have gone to hell. Like Paul, I know nothing against me.).

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1347216' date='Aug 2 2007, 12:23 PM']Bravo! Way to politicize this when they haven't even pulled people out of the water yet![/quote]

Hey don't be to hard on our dear sister. She could have said something about the Catholics going to hell who died on the bridge.

[quote]budge: I am angry that these innocent American people have died for this neglect.[/quote]

Innocent except for the Catholics of course.

Edited August 2, 2007 by thessalonian

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Budge' post='1347145' date='Aug 2 2007, 11:51 AM']The infrastructure in America is failing, {remember the pipe exploding in NYC, just a week ago, killing someone?}
we are spending billions of dollars a day in the ME, while things fall apart at home...{think New Orleans water dikes}
Anyone else here see a problem with that. i just read the fiasco cost 1 trillion dollars in Iraq, imagine if that money had been invested here and in our infrastructure instead. This kind of thing is going to get worse and worse. America is turning into a third world country. The good stuff built in the 50s and 60s is starting to collapse with no money to replace it at level needed. I am angry that these innocent American people have died for this neglect.[/quote]

If you're a Christian, pray. Don't whine and complain.

On a side note: Americans tend to be the most spoiled brats on the planet, we have it so good compared to most other countries, yet we can complain about some of the smallest things. This isn't about politics, it's everything in general about this country. Go visit some other countries, like Germany, which pay nearly [b]50% of their income to the government[/b] (they have socialized healthcare, so they still pay for it).

Edited August 2, 2007 by Paladin D

[homeschoolmom]

What small thing are we complaining about? Bridges falling in to the river is a big thing...

[tojo]

[quote name='the_rev' post='1347202' date='Aug 2 2007, 11:59 AM']Anyways, I'm definitly offering my prayers, I hope all our seminarians from the MN-St. Paul area are ok.[/quote]

Those not from the M-SP area should all be, since they are at home for the summer, mostly. I know my two good friends who go to SJV are in MI currently.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1347267' date='Aug 2 2007, 02:03 PM']What small thing are we complaining about? Bridges falling in to the river is a big thing... [/quote]

That statement was in general, not specifically relating to this horrible incident. Some people think that if a bridge collapses, it means the US is going down the drain.

[tojo]

[quote name='Paladin D' post='1347341' date='Aug 2 2007, 01:51 PM']That statement was in general, not specifically relating to this horrible incident. Some people think that if a bridge collapses, it means the US is going down the drain.[/quote]

Yeah, this is a big deal, but it doesn't mean that the US is "becoming a third world country," that's just ridiculous.

[homeschoolmom]

Well, yes... that goes without saying... we are NOT a third world country.... that's just silliness..

[Paladin D]

However, is still doesn't change the fact that Americans in general tend to sweat over the small things that go on. This bridge incident is of great concern, which is not the issue. I was addressing Budge's "doomsday" outlook on America's future.

[tojo]

[quote name='Paladin D' post='1347413' date='Aug 2 2007, 02:58 PM']I was addressing Budge's "doomsday" outlook on America's future.[/quote]

One must remember that Budge is a fundie. Now, not all fundies are the same, but they tend to view America as the most important place in the world, and the intend to view the world (and everyone in it who doesn't answer their doctrinal Qs the way they deem correct) as this great big system of evil that is specifically out to get them and their local church. They also tend to relish the idea of the worst possible scenarios occuring in the world, that whole tribulation thing.

It's a kind of ego-centric hyper-paranoia. Trust me, I know, I've been there.

[homeschoolmom]

Gah... now we are coming to the part of these events that I hate the most...

"This is a picture of my sister... I haven't heard from her."
"My dad's name is.... This is his picture..."
"If anyone has seen this woman...."

It's sad and scary enough that the bridge itself is down... but when the faces of the human victims start showing up.... I think about it constantly... I can't stop.

[Dreamweaver]

My prayers for the poor people killed and hurt in the accident.

I was just talking to my dad on the phone, and his boss's son was almost on the bridge (or nearby anyways) at the time of the collapse. The son had a light lit up on his car's dash, so he pulled over somewhere and called his dad for advice what to do. Sometimes car trouble is a good thing.

[CrossCuT]

[size=1]When I first found out I couldnt believe it.
It didnt quite sink in.....and even now it seems so surreal.

Its so close to home that its hard to swallow.
It was a very scary day.
But I am happy that no one I know was hurt.
My heart goes out to everyone involved.
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