Catholics: Not Peculiar People At All?

[Budge]

"knowledge" according to your definitions would mean I agree with them.

I do not.

[T-Bone _]

No. Knowledge, according to my definition is just that, knowledge. Not making stuff up.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Budge' post='1349475' date='Aug 4 2007, 10:01 AM']"knowledge" according to your definitions would mean I agree with them.

I do not.[/quote]
Knowledge means you KNOW what the Church teaches, without having to believe it. Knowledge means you at least understand where our basis for belief comes from, and are willing to admit that if you can use the Bible to back your claims, so can we. Believe me, we've had much longer to examine our beliefs... 2,000 years you know.

[carrdero]

[quote name='Budge' post='1349457' date='Aug 4 2007, 11:42 AM']since I was a Unitarian universalist for years after being a Cradle Catholic before I was born again and became a Christian.[/quote]
A "cradle Catholic"?

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='carrdero' post='1349617' date='Aug 4 2007, 01:25 PM']A "cradle Catholic"?[/quote]

It means a Catholic since birth. Usually applied to those who do not have faith in the Church/God/Jesus. The ones who become vehemently anti-Catholic usually didn't pay attention in Church and either didn't pay attention or didn't attend religious education classes.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1349451' date='Aug 4 2007, 10:33 AM']The true gospel changes individuals.

The problem with Catholicism is it is all based on the institution, and it is "another gospel"

Those born again in Jesus Christ become "new creatures in Christ"[/quote]
If that's the case, it seems you have yet to be born again.
Dishonesty, lies, calumny, and slander are not the marks of a "new creature in Christ," but originate from one known as the "Great Accuser" and "Father of Lies."

I'll be sure to pray for you, Budge. Looks like you need prayers desperately.

[quote name='Budge' post='1349457' date='Aug 4 2007, 10:42 AM']I am an ex-Catholic so I know the difference between the teachings of Roman Catholicism, the true gospel and what is in God's Word.[/quote]
Interestingly, both my parents are converts to Catholicism from protestent sects with beliefs similar to yours, and they know God's Word and and the teachings of the Catholic Church, and see that they do not contradict. God's Word in the Bible leads to the Church founded by Christ.

You're not fooling anyone with this tripe, Budge.

[kateri05]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1349634' date='Aug 4 2007, 01:37 PM']It means a Catholic since birth. Usually applied to those who do not have faith in the Church/God/Jesus. The ones who become vehemently anti-Catholic usually didn't pay attention in Church and either didn't pay attention or didn't attend religious education classes.[/quote]

hey thats not fair

i'm a catholic since birth and proud of it and ps. i still have my faith DESPITE my terrible religion classes growing up

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Budge' post='1349475' date='Aug 4 2007, 01:01 PM']"knowledge" according to your definitions would mean I agree with them.

I do not.[/quote]

Pick up a dictionary.

"Knowledge" and "accepting" are two separate things.

I can be knowledgable about basic common Pentecostal beliefs, but I honestly don't accept them as truth.

[Budge]

[quote]If that's the case, it seems you have yet to be born again.
Dishonesty, lies, calumny, and slander are not the marks of a "new creature in Christ," but originate from one known as the "Great Accuser" and "Father of Lies."[/quote]

Catholic apologetics #3

over and over.

You all need a new script.

[quote]So typical of Roman apologists:

We do not have to prove any of our assertions, ignore all our contradictions, and by the way you are anti-catholic and antagonistic. Just for good measure here are some personal attacks and condescending language to prove my point.[/quote]

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Budge' post='1350161' date='Aug 5 2007, 07:56 AM']You all need a new script.[/quote]

Pot calling the kettle black, I see...

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Budge' post='1350161' date='Aug 5 2007, 10:56 AM']So typical of Roman apologists:

We do not have to prove any of our assertions, ignore all our contradictions, and by the way you are anti-catholic and antagonistic. Just for good measure here are some personal attacks and condescending language to prove my point.[/quote]



Am I not the only one who sees that this statement is rather ironic? All you need is to change a few words and it has Budge (and her gang) written all over it.



[quote]So typical of [i]anti-Catholics[/i]:

We do not have to prove any of our assertions, ignore all our contradictions, and by the way you are [i]anti-Christian[/i] and antagonistic. Just for good measure here are some personal attacks and condescending language to prove my point.[/quote]

Edited August 5, 2007 by Paladin D

[Ora et Labora]

You're not the only one...

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='Budge' post='1350161' date='Aug 5 2007, 03:56 PM']Catholic apologetics #3

over and over.

You all need a new script.[/quote]

Budge, people on Phatmass have [i]repeatedly[/i] asked you to clarify your points or to justify weak assertions. Your tactic is always to ignore those threads. Once, when a number of us were trying to get you to defend a point that you had made, you came back with a feeble, "I can't reply to every thread. There's only one of me." You just keeping making topic after topic after topic and never actually engage with what anyone says.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1350639' date='Aug 5 2007, 09:26 PM']Budge, people on Phatmass have [i]repeatedly[/i] asked you to clarify your points or to justify weak assertions. Your tactic is always to ignore those threads. Once, when a number of us were trying to get you to defend a point that you had made, you came back with a feeble, "I can't reply to every thread. There's only one of me." You just keeping making topic after topic after topic and never actually engage with what anyone says.[/quote]

Budge apologetics tactic #1.

[jeffpugh]

I can see this has landslided to a "Budge feels like chirping the crowd and not being a very good witness" thread.

[T-Bone _]

Aren't most of the threads she's involved in like that?

[knightec]

I'm fairly new to the catholic church. I was raised by a father who is an ordained baptist minister, an uncle (his brother) who is a misssionary in Columbia, and a grandfather (their dad) who was a missionary for 20+ years and taught at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
When I was born everyone assumed that I would always be groomed to follow in the family footsteps and in a way I was. I can hardly remember a time when the church was open that I wasn't there. I knew the answers to all the questions, I knew scripture, I sat in the front during worship; all the stuff they try and teach you. I had the knowledge, but I didn't have the faith. So when I was able to make the choice on my own to attend church I walked away and never looked back.
It took me falling madly in love with a wonderful catholic girl years later to bring me back to church. It took her several years of her praying just to get me to go to a mass. At first, I couldn't understand the whole catholic thing. Stand up, sit down, kneel, speaking in latin, the incense, etc.
She finally talked me into going to a RCIA class. I went just to get the knowledge, not to "find Jesus", or have some spiritual awakening, but that's what happened. Maybe it was because I was older and a little more mature than I was when I left the church, or it could have been the fact that I was actually looking for something rather than having it thrust upon me. I found a peace that I had not known for a very long time.
April 15, 2006 I made my Confirmation. I'm a proud catholic now!!!!
You can teach all the religion that you want, but you can't teach faith. Someone has to be willing to find that on their own. God can be right in front of you but if you dont want to see him you wont.

[Fidei Defensor]

For emphasis, because Budge may otherwise overlook it:

[quote name='knightec' post='1352140' date='Aug 7 2007, 01:49 PM']I had the knowledge, but I didn't have the faith. So when I was able to make the choice on my own to attend church I walked away and never looked back [....]
[b]You can teach all the religion that you want, but you can't teach faith. Someone has to be willing to find that on their own. God can be right in front of you but if you dont want to see him you wont.[/b][/quote]

[VeniteAdoremus]

Wow. That's very well put.

[White Knight]

Budge your skating on thin ice with all these accusations, Your posts have become some what desperately "looking for attention" Your arguments have no solid basis what so ever, if it did you'd be clearing up some points, like actually giving the people good accounts on what you believe, like many phatmassers have asked you too in the past.


Budge, if your going to an argument you gotta have some knowledge on what your discussing other wise you come off as ignorant.