Testosterone Patch For Low-libido Women

[Thy Geekdom Come]

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Yeah, like that could POSSIBLY be healthy!

The lengths to which our society will go for "a good time"...

[Groo the Wanderer]

Wait till you've been married for 20 years....

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1359266' date='Aug 15 2007, 01:46 PM']Wait till you've been married for 20 years.... [/quote]
I'm well aware, but nonetheless...taking testosterone to boost libido? Doesn't that sound unhealthy, not to mention objectifying?

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1359268' date='Aug 15 2007, 12:50 PM'] I'm well aware, but nonetheless...taking testosterone to boost libido? Doesn't that sound unhealthy, not to mention objectifying?[/quote]
Well, there could be legitimate reason for a woman to take it. Women do, after all, produce some level of natural testosterone. If that level is off for some reason (which could be an entirely medical reason) then I don't have a problem with her taking a supplement.

Frankly, I don't have an issue with encouraging desire within the bounds of marriage, so long as it is not desire devoid of love. While of course you can't ensure that this will always be used for lust-free purposes, I don't think it's inherently a bad thing.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1359272' date='Aug 15 2007, 01:56 PM']Well, there could be legitimate reason for a woman to take it. Women do, after all, produce some level of natural testosterone. If that level is off for some reason (which could be an entirely medical reason) then I don't have a problem with her taking a supplement.

Frankly, I don't have an issue with encouraging desire within the bounds of marriage, so long as it is not desire devoid of love. While of course you can't ensure that this will always be used for lust-free purposes, I don't think it's inherently a bad thing.[/quote]
Well, I doubt that this patch was made for the purpose of a simple health supplement.

If a husband and wife, out of love, want to have the marital embrace, but the wife can't get aroused enough, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. What I would have a problem with is a woman who wears the patch to increase her general libido (almost, excuse the language, as a "horny" patch). That, to me, seems to be something men would want women to take so they could "get some" more easily and seems to be something women would take almost like a drug to get more sex easily. Maybe it's my scrupulous nature, but I tend to think that sex should start as something that wells up as a desire we choose to use to show love, not as something we want for itself and then try to well up enough love for it. The first uses subjugates sex for the purpose of love, the latter seems to put love at the service of sex.

I dunno, maybe it's just me.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1359279' date='Aug 15 2007, 01:07 PM']Well, I doubt that this patch was made for the purpose of a simple health supplement.

If a husband and wife, out of love, want to have the marital embrace, but the wife can't get aroused enough, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. What I would have a problem with is a woman who wears the patch to increase her general libido (almost, excuse the language, as a "horny" patch). That, to me, seems to be something men would want women to take so they could "get some" more easily and seems to be something women would take almost like a drug to get more sex easily. Maybe it's my scrupulous nature, but I tend to think that sex should start as something that wells up as a desire we choose to use to show love, not as something we want for itself and then try to well up enough love for it. The first uses subjugates sex for the purpose of love, the latter seems to put love at the service of sex.

I dunno, maybe it's just me.[/quote]
Not a health supplement, per se, but to correct a hormonal imbalance if one exists.

I agree that it is something that lends itself to abuse, and frankly I would guess it was developed in large part due to the fact that so many men taking Viagra have wives (or whatever) who aren't interested.

However, my point was that there could be legitimate medical purposes for it, and as such I think it's not in and of itself a bad thing. But as I said, it could lend itself to abuse.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Fair enough.

[Didymus]

as long as she doesn't grow a beard, then sure...

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1359250' date='Aug 15 2007, 02:08 PM'][url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293344,00.html"]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293344,00.html[/url]

Yeah, like that could POSSIBLY be healthy!

The lengths to which our society will go for "a good time"...[/quote]

So you object to viagra as well?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1359322' date='Aug 15 2007, 03:16 PM']So you object to viagra as well?[/quote]
It's clear from my follow-up what I meant.

[cmotherofpirl]

yep its just you

[prose]

My best friend had her horomones tested and found she produces absolutely no testosterone. You can imagine what her life is like. This would be a god-send for her.

[StColette]

very weird

[HS_Dad]

I thought we were an incarnational people.

Can't the love we have be incarnated in the marital embrace and the marital embrace lead to more love, etc.?? Isn't that part of the rhythm of normal married life?


Can't love -> marital embrace -> love -> marital embrace -> love etc.

I think looking at this as either - or is dangerous.
We worry so much about sex outside of marriage and its abuses that we forget that many marriages have other struggles.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I guess what I think is that for this to be moral, it should used because a couple wants to be able to have the marital embrace well when they do legitimately desire it and I'm afraid this will be marketed and largely used instead for increasing overall desire to the point of wanting sex constantly, which seems to make sex more about relieving horniness (excuse the phrase) than about marital love. If such a drug assisted moral marital love, it would be fine, but if it tries to turn marital love into a tool for sexual gratification, that's entirely different. So I think the question really is: would this drug be used to bring a person's sexual appetite to a healthy level or would it be used to make a person desire sex more in general for the sake of sexual gratification?

[StColette]

My opinion on this matter is pretty simple I think, mind you this is coming from an unmarried person so hear me out.

I don't think this use of libido enhancing medicines or patches etc. are going to solve any problems with married people. The sex drive is of course important but it is not the absolute end to the marital embrace. The marital embrace should not be determined by the sex drive. It's common knowledge that women have times where they are less "in the mood" then other times this doesn't mean you need to go run and slap a patch on your arm. One would hope that the married couple would love one another and want to share themselves with each other without having to have a ton of hormones to push them in the direction of the marital embrace.

It is wonderful to desire one's spouse and to feel sexually drawn to them, but your love for them and your love for being one with them should not be determined by how strong your libido is.

Now... having the testosterone patch for medical reason, such as the body isn't producing it's correct amount of testosterone to function correctly, then I see no problem with it then.

My thing is that women should not go out of their way to put more and more testosterone in their bodies so that their libidos can keep up with the men's libidos. God created each of us in the manner to which they should function together properly. I'm reminded of pre-cana when the instructor talked about how men would have to show heroic sacrifice towards their wives in the marital embrace. It's not about trying to have the woman put more testosterone into her body but so that she can have the same libido as her spouse. It is about the two becoming one and working as one. Making sure the other is being fulfilled without having to add anything extra into the mix.

[abercius24]

I believe testosterone supplements have been given in other ways outside of "the patch" for those who have a hormonal imbalance. A patch does seem to be a marketing method open to serious abuse. Viagra was originally meant for men who have sexual disfunction, but we now know that healthy, young men are taking it just to highten the experience. And the scientists and doctors I know who work in the reproductive field are all telling me that we'll be seeing a lot more youthful cases of heart disease in the next 10-20 years as a result of Viagra abuse. I would see a similar danger posed to women who may abuse this patch.

Edited August 16, 2007 by abercius24

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='StColette' post='1359687' date='Aug 15 2007, 10:27 PM']My opinion on this matter is pretty simple I think, mind you this is coming from an unmarried person so hear me out.

I don't think this use of libido enhancing medicines or patches etc. are going to solve any problems with married people. The sex drive is of course important but it is not the absolute end to the marital embrace. The marital embrace should not be determined by the sex drive. It's common knowledge that women have times where they are less "in the mood" then other times this doesn't mean you need to go run and slap a patch on your arm. One would hope that the married couple would love one another and want to share themselves with each other without having to have a ton of hormones to push them in the direction of the marital embrace.

It is wonderful to desire one's spouse and to feel sexually drawn to them, but your love for them and your love for being one with them should not be determined by how strong your libido is.

Now... having the testosterone patch for medical reason, such as the body isn't producing it's correct amount of testosterone to function correctly, then I see no problem with it then.

My thing is that women should not go out of their way to put more and more testosterone in their bodies so that their libidos can keep up with the men's libidos. God created each of us in the manner to which they should function together properly. I'm reminded of pre-cana when the instructor talked about how men would have to show heroic sacrifice towards their wives in the marital embrace. It's not about trying to have the woman put more testosterone into her body but so that she can have the same libido as her spouse. It is about the two becoming one and working as one. Making sure the other is being fulfilled without having to add anything extra into the mix.[/quote]

My bride, everybody.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1359279' date='Aug 15 2007, 02:07 PM']What I would have a problem with is a woman who wears the patch to increase her general libido (almost, excuse the language, as a "horny" patch). That, to me, seems to be something men would want women to take so they could "get some" more easily[/quote]


While I don't KNOW much about this spectrum of biology (hormonal imbalance) I can think of a lot more reasons how this could be misused rather than used in a proper context. You and TF both have good points. I just don't know enough about the science and alternate methods that could be used to speculate further than that. But I think that the point you made in this post is really good. It could be a tool that leads to more items of this nature used singularly for improper reasons.

And you know, St. Collette makes a really good point. God made us not to have as much of this hormone as men. I know that hormonal imbalances can lead to legitimate medical problems. But if this patch is to go against the natural decrease in hormone production that naturally happens in a natural woman... I don't see a justification for going against that.

Edited August 16, 2007 by Totus Tuus

[StColette]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1359695' date='Aug 15 2007, 09:32 PM']My bride, everybody. [/quote]

lol