Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 [url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293344,00.html"]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293344,00.html[/url] Yeah, like that could POSSIBLY be healthy! The lengths to which our society will go for "a good time"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Wait till you've been married for 20 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1359266' date='Aug 15 2007, 01:46 PM']Wait till you've been married for 20 years.... [/quote] I'm well aware, but nonetheless...taking testosterone to boost libido? Doesn't that sound unhealthy, not to mention objectifying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1359268' date='Aug 15 2007, 12:50 PM'] I'm well aware, but nonetheless...taking testosterone to boost libido? Doesn't that sound unhealthy, not to mention objectifying?[/quote] Well, there could be legitimate reason for a woman to take it. Women do, after all, produce some level of natural testosterone. If that level is off for some reason (which could be an entirely medical reason) then I don't have a problem with her taking a supplement. Frankly, I don't have an issue with encouraging desire within the bounds of marriage, so long as it is not desire devoid of love. While of course you can't ensure that this will always be used for lust-free purposes, I don't think it's inherently a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1359272' date='Aug 15 2007, 01:56 PM']Well, there could be legitimate reason for a woman to take it. Women do, after all, produce some level of natural testosterone. If that level is off for some reason (which could be an entirely medical reason) then I don't have a problem with her taking a supplement. Frankly, I don't have an issue with encouraging desire within the bounds of marriage, so long as it is not desire devoid of love. While of course you can't ensure that this will always be used for lust-free purposes, I don't think it's inherently a bad thing.[/quote] Well, I doubt that this patch was made for the purpose of a simple health supplement. If a husband and wife, out of love, want to have the marital embrace, but the wife can't get aroused enough, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. What I would have a problem with is a woman who wears the patch to increase her general libido (almost, excuse the language, as a "horny" patch). That, to me, seems to be something men would want women to take so they could "get some" more easily and seems to be something women would take almost like a drug to get more sex easily. Maybe it's my scrupulous nature, but I tend to think that sex should start as something that wells up as a desire we choose to use to show love, not as something we want for itself and then try to well up enough love for it. The first uses subjugates sex for the purpose of love, the latter seems to put love at the service of sex. I dunno, maybe it's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1359279' date='Aug 15 2007, 01:07 PM']Well, I doubt that this patch was made for the purpose of a simple health supplement. If a husband and wife, out of love, want to have the marital embrace, but the wife can't get aroused enough, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. What I would have a problem with is a woman who wears the patch to increase her general libido (almost, excuse the language, as a "horny" patch). That, to me, seems to be something men would want women to take so they could "get some" more easily and seems to be something women would take almost like a drug to get more sex easily. Maybe it's my scrupulous nature, but I tend to think that sex should start as something that wells up as a desire we choose to use to show love, not as something we want for itself and then try to well up enough love for it. The first uses subjugates sex for the purpose of love, the latter seems to put love at the service of sex. I dunno, maybe it's just me.[/quote] Not a health supplement, per se, but to correct a hormonal imbalance if one exists. I agree that it is something that lends itself to abuse, and frankly I would guess it was developed in large part due to the fact that so many men taking Viagra have wives (or whatever) who aren't interested. However, my point was that there could be legitimate medical purposes for it, and as such I think it's not in and of itself a bad thing. But as I said, it could lend itself to abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 as long as she doesn't grow a beard, then sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1359250' date='Aug 15 2007, 02:08 PM'][url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293344,00.html"]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293344,00.html[/url] Yeah, like that could POSSIBLY be healthy! The lengths to which our society will go for "a good time"...[/quote] So you object to viagra as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1359322' date='Aug 15 2007, 03:16 PM']So you object to viagra as well?[/quote] It's clear from my follow-up what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 yep its just you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 My best friend had her horomones tested and found she produces absolutely no testosterone. You can imagine what her life is like. This would be a god-send for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 very weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS_Dad Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I thought we were an incarnational people. Can't the love we have be incarnated in the marital embrace and the marital embrace lead to more love, etc.?? Isn't that part of the rhythm of normal married life? Can't love -> marital embrace -> love -> marital embrace -> love etc. I think looking at this as either - or is dangerous. We worry so much about sex outside of marriage and its abuses that we forget that many marriages have other struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 I guess what I think is that for this to be moral, it should used because a couple wants to be able to have the marital embrace well when they do legitimately desire it and I'm afraid this will be marketed and largely used instead for increasing overall desire to the point of wanting sex constantly, which seems to make sex more about relieving horniness (excuse the phrase) than about marital love. If such a drug assisted moral marital love, it would be fine, but if it tries to turn marital love into a tool for sexual gratification, that's entirely different. So I think the question really is: would this drug be used to bring a person's sexual appetite to a healthy level or would it be used to make a person desire sex more in general for the sake of sexual gratification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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