StColette Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 My opinion on this matter is pretty simple I think, mind you this is coming from an unmarried person so hear me out. I don't think this use of libido enhancing medicines or patches etc. are going to solve any problems with married people. The sex drive is of course important but it is not the absolute end to the marital embrace. The marital embrace should not be determined by the sex drive. It's common knowledge that women have times where they are less "in the mood" then other times this doesn't mean you need to go run and slap a patch on your arm. One would hope that the married couple would love one another and want to share themselves with each other without having to have a ton of hormones to push them in the direction of the marital embrace. It is wonderful to desire one's spouse and to feel sexually drawn to them, but your love for them and your love for being one with them should not be determined by how strong your libido is. Now... having the testosterone patch for medical reason, such as the body isn't producing it's correct amount of testosterone to function correctly, then I see no problem with it then. My thing is that women should not go out of their way to put more and more testosterone in their bodies so that their libidos can keep up with the men's libidos. God created each of us in the manner to which they should function together properly. I'm reminded of pre-cana when the instructor talked about how men would have to show heroic sacrifice towards their wives in the marital embrace. It's not about trying to have the woman put more testosterone into her body but so that she can have the same libido as her spouse. It is about the two becoming one and working as one. Making sure the other is being fulfilled without having to add anything extra into the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abercius24 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) I believe testosterone supplements have been given in other ways outside of "the patch" for those who have a hormonal imbalance. A patch does seem to be a marketing method open to serious abuse. Viagra was originally meant for men who have sexual disfunction, but we now know that healthy, young men are taking it just to highten the experience. And the scientists and doctors I know who work in the reproductive field are all telling me that we'll be seeing a lot more youthful cases of heart disease in the next 10-20 years as a result of Viagra abuse. I would see a similar danger posed to women who may abuse this patch. Edited August 16, 2007 by abercius24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 [quote name='StColette' post='1359687' date='Aug 15 2007, 10:27 PM']My opinion on this matter is pretty simple I think, mind you this is coming from an unmarried person so hear me out. I don't think this use of libido enhancing medicines or patches etc. are going to solve any problems with married people. The sex drive is of course important but it is not the absolute end to the marital embrace. The marital embrace should not be determined by the sex drive. It's common knowledge that women have times where they are less "in the mood" then other times this doesn't mean you need to go run and slap a patch on your arm. One would hope that the married couple would love one another and want to share themselves with each other without having to have a ton of hormones to push them in the direction of the marital embrace. It is wonderful to desire one's spouse and to feel sexually drawn to them, but your love for them and your love for being one with them should not be determined by how strong your libido is. Now... having the testosterone patch for medical reason, such as the body isn't producing it's correct amount of testosterone to function correctly, then I see no problem with it then. My thing is that women should not go out of their way to put more and more testosterone in their bodies so that their libidos can keep up with the men's libidos. God created each of us in the manner to which they should function together properly. I'm reminded of pre-cana when the instructor talked about how men would have to show heroic sacrifice towards their wives in the marital embrace. It's not about trying to have the woman put more testosterone into her body but so that she can have the same libido as her spouse. It is about the two becoming one and working as one. Making sure the other is being fulfilled without having to add anything extra into the mix.[/quote] My bride, everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Raphael' post='1359279' date='Aug 15 2007, 02:07 PM']What I would have a problem with is a woman who wears the patch to increase her general libido (almost, excuse the language, as a "horny" patch). That, to me, seems to be something men would want women to take so they could "get some" more easily[/quote] While I don't KNOW much about this spectrum of biology (hormonal imbalance) I can think of a lot more reasons how this could be misused rather than used in a proper context. You and TF both have good points. I just don't know enough about the science and alternate methods that could be used to speculate further than that. But I think that the point you made in this post is really good. It could be a tool that leads to more items of this nature used singularly for improper reasons. And you know, St. Collette makes a really good point. God made us not to have as much of this hormone as men. I know that hormonal imbalances can lead to legitimate medical problems. But if this patch is to go against the natural decrease in hormone production that naturally happens in a natural woman... I don't see a justification for going against that. Edited August 16, 2007 by Totus Tuus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1359695' date='Aug 15 2007, 09:32 PM']My bride, everybody. [/quote] lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 [quote name='StColette' post='1359697' date='Aug 15 2007, 10:34 PM']lol [/quote] I was going to reply to this with a joke, but Jen wouldn't let me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 [quote name='Raphael' post='1359698' date='Aug 15 2007, 09:36 PM']I was going to reply to this with a joke, but Jen wouldn't let me.[/quote] That's because there are youngins on this board lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 [quote name='StColette' post='1359726' date='Aug 15 2007, 10:58 PM']That's because there are youngins on this board lol [/quote] What are you implying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosieranna Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 [quote name='Nadezhda' post='1359753' date='Aug 15 2007, 11:10 PM'][/quote] What's so funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosieranna Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 You had the good grace not to tell a joke. I thought it was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 [quote name='Nadezhda' post='1359765' date='Aug 15 2007, 11:17 PM']You had the good grace not to tell a joke. I thought it was nice.[/quote] It really wasn't that bad, I'm just used to posting in NFP forums and the like, where only adults can read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 [quote name='HS_Dad' post='1359631' date='Aug 15 2007, 08:48 PM']I thought we were an incarnational people. Can't the love we have be incarnated in the marital embrace and the marital embrace lead to more love, etc.?? Isn't that part of the rhythm of normal married life? Can't love -> marital embrace -> love -> marital embrace -> love etc. I think looking at this as either - or is dangerous. We worry so much about sex outside of marriage and its abuses that we forget that many marriages have other struggles.[/quote] I think that is a very good point. This is true in other areas as well ... our actions form the way we feel just as our feelings motivate our actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosieranna Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I've never heard it put that way (HS_Dad). It's really beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tufsoles Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 oh the immorallity. I agree with HS dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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