Budge: Where In The Bible Are We Told Which Books Go In The Bible.

["Kyrie eleison"]

Budge,

Jesus set the [b]foundation[/b] and gave [b]authority[/b] to his [b]apostles[/b]. No other foundation can be laid.

1 Corinthians 3:11

For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Just as [b]Abraham[/b], who was [b]a father figure and a ROCK to Jesus' people[/b], so did Jesus appoint [b]Peter a father figure [/b]to lead his people, to tend and feed his flock, the ROCK.


Matthew 16: 13-19
13 And Jesus came into the region of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples: who do people say that the Son of man is?

14 But they said: Some John the Baptist, some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 Jesus said to them: But who do you say I am?

16 Simon Peter answered and said: You are Christ, the Son of the living God.

[b]17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed are you, Simon son of Jona, because flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this ROCK I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [/b]

[b]19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.[/b]

In Matthew 7:24-27 Jesus says the following and which go hand in hand;

"Everyone then who hears[b] these words of mine [/b]and does them will be like [b]a wise man [/b]who built his house on the[b] ROCK[/b]. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that [b]HOUSE,[/b] but it did not fall, because it had been [b]FOUNDED on ROCK[/b].

vs. those who [b]DO NOT LISTEN[/b]


And everyone who hears these words of mine [b]and does not do them [/b]will be like a foolish man who built his [b]HOUSE [/b]on the [b]SAND.[/b] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell,[b] and great was the fall of it."[/b]

The reformation has failed miserably, in that there are more splits in the body of christ as any Joe schmoe can get on their soap box and is their own final authority, regarding the interpretation of scripture.

Jesus is the architech and built his house on the [b]rock (Peter)[/b] and Jesus promises the gates of hell will not prevail against her.

Matthew 16

18 And I say to you: That you are[b] PETER[/b]; and upon this [b]ROCK[/b] I will build my church, and the gates of hell[b] shall not [/b]prevail against it.

The foundation has been laid and no one can move the [b]ROCK.[/b]

Edited September 8, 2007 by "Kyrie eleison"

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1374836' date='Aug 31 2007, 10:43 AM']If the King James Bible was good enough for Jesus its good enough for me. Amen.[/quote]

[MichaelFilo]

Unfortunatly others continue to derail Budge from addressing the Canon. It is very hard for anyone to address accusations and answer a question. I wish this would stay on topic and invite Budge to come back and give it another go.

[Lord Philip]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377873' date='Sep 4 2007, 01:18 PM']Thank you BG>
Why would I look to them for scriptural truth? The Alexandrian deceivers? Roman historians? forget it.

The apostles warned of the early deceivers right in the book of ACts, the problem with the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church is based on their teachings....error from the very early beginning.[/quote]

Budge,

You are not answering the question. Please address the question at hand. I am tired of restating it.

On what basis do you tell me that the New Testament Canon of Scripture is an inspired list of books? On Protestant/non-Catholic grounds please tell me why I should accept the book of Hebrews or James or Jude or Revelation. ANSWER THE QUESTION.

(Interestingly, in every single debate I have had with a non-Catholic on the canon of Scripture, I have had to repeat at least 5 or 6 times the admonition: "ANSWER THE QUESTION, PLEASE!" Dancing, dodging, changing the subject and all such nonsense is very tiresome)

Philip