Killing Abortion Doctors

[_bc]

You all make a good point that it would not solve anything. But in principle for pro-lifers isn't killing abortion doctors the right thing to do?

If it would not solve anything, why would it be the right thing to do?

[cmotherofpirl]

The end does not justify the means.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Period.

[dairygirl4u2c]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Therefore the Catholic Church is teaching heresy at least unofficially by allowing just wars and self defense.

[Hananiah]

The end does not justify the means.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Period.

True. It is the prerogative of the state to try and execute criminals, not the individual. The only thing vigilante killings do is turn people away from the pro-life movement.

[Hananiah]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Therefore the Catholic Church is teaching heresy at least unofficially by allowing just wars and self defense.

Dairy Girl, I can certainly see where you're coming from, but you have to realize that killing abortion doctors hurts the pro-life cause. Perhaps if the legal path towards ending abortion were closed it would be permissible to use illegal means, but as it stands we have a good chance of getting another conservative onto the Supreme court bench and getting Roe v. Wade overturned, so I think we should stay in the legal realm for now.

[Hananiah]

What if someone had killed Bernard Nathanson when he was an abortion doctor? He would be in hell right now, and the pro-life movement would be short one very prominent member.

[cmotherofpirl]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Therefore the Catholic Church is teaching heresy at least unofficially by allowing just wars and self defense.

nope

States have rights that the individual does not.

[dairygirl4u2c]

nope

States have rights that the individual does not.

so the state can justifiy the end by the means.

and so self-defense is evil.

and if the government started allowing blacks to be killed by vote, we could not defend them if we had the possibility of a chance to sway the public vote. and the chance has been looming for 30 years. (parallel to how long roe/wade has been enacted)

[thicke]

and if the government started allowing blacks to be killed by vote, we could not defend them if we had the possibility of a chance to sway the public vote.    and the chance has been looming for 30 years.  (parallel to how long roe/wade has been enacted)

Honestly, this has happened here. Many blacks died in bondage. Just like the unborn in this country, they had no legal rights, including the right to life. But justice prevailed through the intercession of the the people going along with the proper process.

We will win the fight (note fight, not war) against abortion, without stooping to the "pro-choicer's" level.

Edited February 14, 2004 by thicke

[Matty_boy]

I don't understand the argument that the Church is teaching heresy? Also, the United States can do whatever they want without the Church allowing or not allowing their actions. If somebody were to try to kill me, I would do whatever I could to prevent that. If somebody were trying to kill my sister standing next to me, I would do whatever I could to prevent that. These are not unjust actions. "Thou Shalt Not Kill" does not mean "All killing is inherently evil."

Thicke, good point. But if the gov't did allow the killing of blacks and people went out and formed lynch mobs etc., I would go out and fight, not just sit on my couch and watch it happen on TV. It's a little different with abortion though because we aren't in the position to sway the vote until the government cleans the poo from its ears. We've already outlawed the killing of blacks and that belief is accepted by society, so to make it legal would be a step back which people would not tolerate. Abortion isn't real enough to society because it happens behind closed doors and people don't see what it really does. They just believe what the media has said about the issue.

Just for the record, I'm not arguing for killing abortion doctors. I know it is wrong. I had the same struggle with the issue as dairy. It's like the movie "The 5th Element." The evil grows when they try to destroy it with hate (missiles). The evil was conquered with pure love.

Edited February 16, 2004 by Matty_boy

[cmotherofpirl]

Ah one of my favorite movies

Evil is not overcome by evil, evil is overcome by good.

[dairygirl4u2c]

Also, the United States can do whatever they want without the Church allowing or not allowing their actions.

If somebody were to try to kill me, I would do whatever I could to prevent that.

Well, the Church teaches that the just war is okay just like I'm pretty sure they teach self defense is okay. Isn't that justifying the end by the mean? I suppose you could argue that the mean isn't even wrong at all since you're saving your life. so the teaching more clearly must be that the good end does not justify the evil mean. So I'm not arguing anything about this anymore.

But..

I would go out and fight, not just sit on my couch and watch it happen on TV. It's a little different with abortion though .

But I'm sure a lot of people back in the day thought they shouldn't do anything "because we aren't in the position to sway the vote until the government cleans the poo from its ears". Would you still go out and defend the blacks when that kind of rhetoric existed as it does now for abortion. So how can abortion really be different?

[thicke]

But if the gov't did allow the killing of blacks and people went out and formed lynch mobs etc., I would go out and fight, not just sit on my couch and watch it happen on TV.

Fight? No. Stand in the way? Yes! And, I don't sit on my couch and watch the fight against abortion. I go out to the mills and pray! I go to the Church and pray. I try to get others involved. I try to make pro-choicers See the truth.