Seriously, Budge -

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377853' date='Sep 4 2007, 01:57 PM']I have posted many times on "ye must be born again"

That is what I believe.

Actually it is no surprise to Christians when many are offended by their message.

You call me obnoxious on the sole basis because of what I believe about your church.

This is the price that anyone pays who tries to witness to Catholics or plays watchmen of any kind.

Im not in this to win a popularity contest....

Why not actually consider my side....and go research for yourself. Read the Bible, pray and more....

Dont just brush me off as "anticatholic"

Listen to what I am warning about.

[url="http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html"]YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN[/url][/quote]
I [i]was[/i] "born again." I then journeyed from the Church of the Nazarene to a Messianic Jewish church and, ultimately, to the Catholic Church. And, of course, I both read and prayed, and continue to read and pray.

BTW, part of the intent of my previous post was to preempt your claim that we're "offended" because you "preach the truth." You ignored me. At the very least, "witnessing" involves dialogue. All you're doing is talking at us.

Finally, I'm "offended," at least, not because you "preach the truth" but because your words and manner are offensive. Why not simply come out and say, "what you believe is stupid and you're stupid for believing it?"

["Kyrie eleison"]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377870' date='Sep 4 2007, 03:16 PM']Do you understand the difference between Sancitification and Justificiation?

Because it seems you dont.

Justification is when a person is saved via faith, they become an adoptive child of God. You're in the family.

Sanctification is the Holy Spirit leading a person to do works, via faith, chastisement and more.

Catholics dont seem to understand the disctinction between the two.[/quote]

Answer this Budge, do you say we are "Saved" by just accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, there is nothing that ONE can do to LOSE THEIR SALVATION?

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377856' date='Sep 4 2007, 02:01 PM']Test all your beliefs.

...

One thing about people I respect is when they are willing to examine their own beliefs.[/quote]
As noted, I [i]did[/i] examine my beliefs, which led me to the Catholic Church. Quite a predicament for you, eh?

[quote name='Budge' post='1377856' date='Sep 4 2007, 02:01 PM']Some here are more willing to examine their own beliefs more then others, but some are so cemented in, they wont even look or examine the other side.[/quote]
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[prose]

Budge, Can you please answer:

Do you preach and post like this on non-Christian boards, for instance like the Mormons, the JWs, the Hindus or Buddhists? If not, why not? Do you not believe that those are also false beliefs leading millions to hell?

[Budge]

Do you just make up stuff as it occurs to you?

I did not have a falling out with my last indp fundie church, in fact they held a dinner for me and husband when we had to move out of town.

[Budge]

[quote]Budge, Can you please answer:

Do you preach and post like this on non-Christian boards, for instance like the Mormons, the JWs, the Hindus or Buddhists? If not, why not? Do you not believe that those are also false beliefs leading millions to hell?[/quote]

Yes, I post about other false religions quite often...especially Mormonism which has a lot in common with Catholicism.

in my old town I directly witnessed to Wiccans and pagans and Rekki participants.

I am not an EX-Hindu or Mormon or Buddhist, more directed to Catholicism because I came out of that religious bondage.

[Budge]

oops double post

Edited September 4, 2007 by Budge

[prose]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377940' date='Sep 4 2007, 03:30 PM']Yes, I post about other false religions quite often...especially Mormonism which has a lot in common with Catholicism.[/quote]

I didn't say "about" other religions. I said do you EVANGELIZE TO THEM. Do you post on their boards, in their forums? Or are we just the lucky ones?

[Budge]

[quote]QUOTE(Budge @ Sep 4 2007, 02:01 PM) *
Test all your beliefs.

...

One thing about people I respect is when they are willing to examine their own beliefs.

As noted, I did examine my beliefs, which led me to the Catholic Church. Quite a predicament for you, eh?[/quote]

Actually Im not surprised.

The Church of the Nazarene anymore seems to be a mission field for Catholicism.

Why not? Its basically a daughter joined with every ecumenical and interfaith group out there.

I havent met one Church of Nazarene member yet, {an EMERGENT board I particpated on was FULL of them} that understands the truth about Catholicism.
[quote]Participants in the January 27-29, 2003 Meeting of Christian Churches Together
Bishop Vicken Aykazian Diocese of the Armenian Church of America Participant
Commissioner W. Todd Bassett The Salvation Army Participant
Mr. John Briscoe NCCC USA Participant
Bishop Tod Brown Diocese of Orange of California Participant
Ms. Sharon Browning Sharon Browning and Associates Participant
[b]Rev. David Caudle Church of the Nazarene Participant[/b][/quote]

[url="http://www.ncccusa.org/about/cctusa.html"]link[/url]

Edited September 4, 2007 by Budge

[Budge]

[quote]I didn't say "about" other religions. I said do you EVANGELIZE TO THEM. Do you post on their boards, in their forums? Or are we just the lucky ones?[/quote]

When do you evangelize?

After all youre just preaching to the choir here arent you with the exception of the two? three? Bible Christians on this board.

Oh yeah Catholics dont do that.

Even I have a limit in the hours of my day.

I have posted on other forums before.

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377950' date='Sep 4 2007, 03:40 PM']When do you evangelize?

After all youre just preaching to the choir here arent you with the exception of the two? three? Bible Christians on this board.

Oh yeah Catholics dont do that.

Even I have a limit in the hours of my day.

I have posted on other forums before.[/quote]

As your hours are limited, and you should have a say in the topics you debate, would you like a 1-on-1 debate about the Virgin Mary and the Immaculate Conception?

[Budge]

Didnt we already do that topic?

Anyhow that one was to lay the bridge work for the Assumption of Mary claims.

Cant have someone go to heaven without dying {course even thats been left to debate} since the Bible says the wages of sin are death.

Just more of the false queen of heaven, daughter of Chaldea wanting to be like the most high...

perfect and sinless supposely...

and ascending into heaven like Jesus.

Not the real Mary at all who needed savior just like everyone else.

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377947' date='Sep 4 2007, 03:37 PM']Actually Im not surprised.

The Church of the Nazarene anymore seems to be a mission field for Catholicism.

Why not? Its basically a daughter joined with every ecumenical and interfaith group out there.

I havent met one Church of Nazarene member yet, {an EMERGENT board I particpated on was FULL of them} that understands the truth about Catholicism.
[url="http://www.ncccusa.org/about/cctusa.html"]link[/url][/quote]
LOL. Literally

The pastor of the Nazarene church I attended was ex-Catholic. I thought that his anti-Catholic tirades were quite breathtaking, even when I was a True Believer. He would become apoplectic if you told him that his church was a mission field for Catholicism.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of Budge.

[CatholicCid]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377964' date='Sep 4 2007, 03:47 PM']Didnt we already do that topic?[/quote]

If I followed it correctly, you agreed to a debate by Raphael, you two choose a topic, you offered maybe seven or so posts actually debating, moved off-topic, and then ignored the topic... I'll edit in the link if it's still around.

I'll see if Raphaels minds if I link to it first.

Edited September 4, 2007 by CatholicCid

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377964' date='Sep 4 2007, 05:47 PM']and ascending into heaven like Jesus.[/quote]The Catholic Church does not teach this. We Catholics believe that Mary was [i]assumed [/i]into heaven. It was God's power--not her's--that got her there. Is your mistake because you are ignorant of the facts, or are you bearing false witness against us?

[quote name='Budge' post='1377964' date='Sep 4 2007, 05:47 PM']Not the real Mary at all who needed savior just like everyone else.[/quote]Yet another strawman argument?

[Budge]

Hmm I would ask your minister why he was preaching for a denomination that has hooked up with the WCC and Churches Together-a Catholic ran organization.

Maybe he was just ignorant of these facts, but that is a pretty HUGE OVERSIGHT if you ask me.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Budge' post='1377950' date='Sep 4 2007, 05:40 PM']When do you evangelize?

After all youre just preaching to the choir here arent you with the exception of the two? three? Bible Christians on this board.

Oh yeah Catholics dont do that.

Even I have a limit in the hours of my day.

I have posted on other forums before.[/quote]I take it that you applaud the Fuzzy Bunny Crusade, then.

[Budge]

[quote]The Catholic Church does not teach this. We Catholics believe that Mary was assumed into heaven. It was God's power--not her's--that got her there. Is your mistake because you are ignorant of the facts, or are you bearing false witness against us?[/quote]

Yeah yeah I forgot you all have these little nit picking things, ok you believe God took her up...fine

Its not in the Bible anyhow, its just a legend your Popes made up since all those demonic apparitions started showing up at that time.

and you all are the ones who deny the Rapture?

[Budge]

[quote]I take it that you applaud the Fuzzy Bunny Crusade, then.[/quote]

Hey go for it?

But you do seem to act like scared rabbits, and dont go anywhere, and run away.

Weve invited you on my board several times, and been ignored.

Too much for you?

Did you all take the risk of stepping out away from the preaching to the choir Catholic MBs?

[jeffpugh]

We don't go to your board because it is not a grounds for dialogue, but a pit full of anti-Catholics who are weeping and gnashing their teeth at us, like what you do here. If you want to have a conversation that doesn't include random source posting and ignoring using reason, then we're up for it. We are regular people who have intellects and we plan on using this gift God gave us.