cappie Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 MEL Gibson has poured a further $10 million into his controversial sect in the Malibu hills as he oversees the construction of a 400-seat church to expand his flock of followers. A federal tax filing reveals that the troubled actor-director made the large lump sum donation earlier this year to his Holy Family Catholic Church, which is situated in the secluded Agoura Hills. The private church now has $37 million in its coffers - up from $27 million last year, according to the tax document. Gibson's secretive sect is not recognised by the Roman Catholic Church because it does not acknowledge the authority of the Pope or the Vatican and rejects the universally accepted teachings of the Second Vatican Council. The church - which offers a daily morning mass in Latin - follows an antiquated ideology of Catholicism dating back to the 16th century. Female followers of Gibson's church must abide by a strict dress code, requiring them to wear veils over their hair and long skirts, with a ban on pants for women. The exclusive parish currently caters for about 70 families, with the existing chapel having seating for only 100 people. However, the new church, located 400m up the hill from the current building, will seat about 400 when it is completed in the next 12 months. Visible throughout much of the valley it overlooks, the high-ceilinged church is being constructed in the architectural style of an old-fashioned Spanish mission. It is understood that Gibson, 51, also owns the construction company that is building his new place of worship. Planning documents, seen by The Daily Telegraph, reveal that the current church building will become a meeting hall for the parish. Gibson and his wife Robyn are listed in federal tax records as directors of the church. It is run out of Gibson's Icon Production company offices in the beachside suburb of Santa Monica, with an Icon employee responsible for book-keeping. The Gibsons' tax-free donations to Holy Family are made possible by a charity they established called the AP Reilly Foundation, which operates the church and was named after his late mother, Anne Reilly-Gibson. The foundation was created in October 1999 for the sole purpose of creating the church. The church has an unlisted phone number, keeps its address a secret and has asked members of the congregation not to release the information. The 4.5ha property - located on the scenic and quiet Mulholland Highway - is listed in public documents as being owned by Gibson's foundation and being worth about $3.7 million. The fenced property is guarded by security and access to the church decided by a staff member at the gate. Inside, the church is spare and simple, with a very basic altar, exposed wooden beams in the ceiling, dark carpeting, a large iron light fixture and chairs upholstered in maroon fabric. Discreet video cameras cover the building, surrounded by al Tuscan-style garden of poplars and olive trees. The church was the venue for the wedding of Gibson's only daughter Hannah, who was walked down the aisle by her father in a private ceremony - reportedly conducted entirely in Latin - last September. [url="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22363618-5006003,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5006003,00.html[/url]
aprilvasquez Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1378071' date='Sep 4 2007, 06:23 PM'][/quote] Is he a SSPX member?
fides quarens intellectum Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 not very inclusive, is it?
Totus Tuus Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 [quote name='aprilvasquez' post='1378077' date='Sep 4 2007, 06:35 PM']Is he a SSPX member?[/quote] I'm of the understanding that he is sedevacantist, but do not know if he is an SSPX follower. The article refers to whatever he practices as "his" sect, though I have never heard that he himself started a schismatic sect. I was under the impression he was following someone else's ideology. In any case, I hope that must-be-magnificent church is soon to be used by Catholics who are fully in union with the Church!
brendan1104 Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 His dad is a STRONG sedevacantist, but I don't know if Mel is. They're not SSPX though.
PapaHilarious Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 as a Catholic working in Hollywood, he just makes me sad nowadays. i had an agent hang up on me once when they knew Icon was considering one of our projects. good times
cathoholic_anonymous Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 I've heard all sorts of things about the Gibsons. One article I read (in the same paper, the [i]Telegraph[/i]) claimed that 'his only daughter, Hannah, 21, is joining a religious order'. That article came out when [i]The Passion[/i] was released. This article says that she's married. It's possible for someone to go from postulant to bride in two years, but... It makes me wonder how accurate the thing is. Vetting churchgoers is a sure sign that a place isn't truly Catholic, though. How do they decide who is worthy to pray there and who isn't? It goes against the spirit of the Gospels.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 I've heard so many different things about Mel Gibson I don't know what to believe. I suppose I should take that as a sign that it's really none of our business, except if we have to save the soul of a brother or keep others from following a deception.
goldenchild17 Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 [quote name='cappie' post='1378068' date='Sep 4 2007, 05:20 PM']MEL Gibson has poured a further $10 million into his controversial sect in the Malibu hills as he oversees the construction of a 400-seat church to expand his flock of followers. A federal tax filing reveals that the troubled actor-director made the large lump sum donation earlier this year to his Holy Family Catholic Church, which is situated in the secluded Agoura Hills. The private church now has $37 million in its coffers - up from $27 million last year, according to the tax document. Gibson's secretive sect is not recognised by the Roman Catholic Church because it does not acknowledge the authority of the Pope or the Vatican and rejects the universally accepted teachings of the Second Vatican Council. The church - which offers a daily morning mass in Latin - follows an antiquated ideology of Catholicism dating back to the 16th century. Female followers of Gibson's church must abide by a strict dress code, requiring them to wear veils over their hair and long skirts, with a ban on pants for women. The exclusive parish currently caters for about 70 families, with the existing chapel having seating for only 100 people. However, the new church, located 400m up the hill from the current building, will seat about 400 when it is completed in the next 12 months. Visible throughout much of the valley it overlooks, the high-ceilinged church is being constructed in the architectural style of an old-fashioned Spanish mission. It is understood that Gibson, 51, also owns the construction company that is building his new place of worship. Planning documents, seen by The Daily Telegraph, reveal that the current church building will become a meeting hall for the parish. Gibson and his wife Robyn are listed in federal tax records as directors of the church. It is run out of Gibson's Icon Production company offices in the beachside suburb of Santa Monica, with an Icon employee responsible for book-keeping. The Gibsons' tax-free donations to Holy Family are made possible by a charity they established called the AP Reilly Foundation, which operates the church and was named after his late mother, Anne Reilly-Gibson. The foundation was created in October 1999 for the sole purpose of creating the church. The church has an unlisted phone number, keeps its address a secret and has asked members of the congregation not to release the information. The 4.5ha property - located on the scenic and quiet Mulholland Highway - is listed in public documents as being owned by Gibson's foundation and being worth about $3.7 million. The fenced property is guarded by security and access to the church decided by a staff member at the gate. Inside, the church is spare and simple, with a very basic altar, exposed wooden beams in the ceiling, dark carpeting, a large iron light fixture and chairs upholstered in maroon fabric. Discreet video cameras cover the building, surrounded by al Tuscan-style garden of poplars and olive trees. The church was the venue for the wedding of Gibson's only daughter Hannah, who was walked down the aisle by her father in a private ceremony - reportedly conducted entirely in Latin - last September. [url="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22363618-5006003,00.html"]http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5006003,00.html[/url][/quote] sweet. Though I think either the article or the title is misleading. Title says 37 mil. Don't think its that much
goldenchild17 Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 [quote name='aprilvasquez' post='1378077' date='Sep 4 2007, 05:35 PM']Is he a SSPX member?[/quote] no, independent Sedevacantist.
kateri05 Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 if only he know how much good he could do if he returned to the true Church.
goldenchild17 Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 [quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1378080' date='Sep 4 2007, 05:41 PM']I'm of the understanding that he is sedevacantist, but do not know if he is an SSPX follower. The article refers to whatever he practices as "his" sect, though I have never heard that he himself started a schismatic sect. I was under the impression he was following someone else's ideology. In any case, I hope that must-be-magnificent church is soon to be used by Catholics who are fully in union with the Church! [/quote] Just a clarification, though I'm sure you knew this, but if someone is a sedevacantist they are not usually an SSPX follower. It's two different philosophies though both (generally) consider the other in line with Catholicism.
missionarybelle Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 hm as much as I cna't stand it, they could use some Haugan-Haas "All are Welcome"
Ash Wednesday Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 (edited) [quote]The church has an unlisted phone number, keeps its address a secret and has asked members of the congregation not to release the information.[/quote] I know he's a celebrity and has a right to privacy and all -- but yes the word "cult" did crop up in my mind when I read that. [quote name='missionarybelle' post='1378470' date='Sep 5 2007, 02:29 AM']hm as much as I can't stand it, they could use some Haugan-Haas "All are Welcome"[/quote] Edited September 5, 2007 by Ash Wednesday
XIX Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 [quote name='missionarybelle' post='1378470' date='Sep 5 2007, 03:29 AM']hm as much as I cna't stand it, they could use some Haugan-Haas "All are Welcome"[/quote] Ugh...Haggen-Daas music and other liturgically questionable practices--stuff from the "liberal" people--are what drive people towards "conservative" excommunication in the first place. Seriously, if people were more submissive to Rome, most people would lose any reason they had to become a rad trad. (I'm sure you are aware of this, so I'm not trying to attack you or nothing)
Totus Tuus Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1378464' date='Sep 5 2007, 01:52 AM']Just a clarification, though I'm sure you knew this, but if someone is a sedevacantist they are not usually an SSPX follower. It's two different philosophies though both (generally) consider the other in line with Catholicism.[/quote] Yeah I did know that but thanks for making it more clear.
Ash Wednesday Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 [quote name='XIX' post='1378505' date='Sep 5 2007, 09:22 AM']Ugh...Haggen-Daas music and other liturgically questionable practices--stuff from the "liberal" people--are what drive people towards "conservative" excommunication in the first place. Seriously, if people were more submissive to Rome, most people would lose any reason they had to become a rad trad. (I'm sure you are aware of this, so I'm not trying to attack you or nothing)[/quote] I think she was speaking more as a general sentiment than literally. And you are correct, but the pendulum swings both ways. Liberals also are reacting against radical rigid traditionalism. Unfortunately it seems people just aren't very good at finding that happy medium.
adt6247 Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 [quote name='goldenchild17' post='1378464' date='Sep 5 2007, 02:52 AM']Just a clarification, though I'm sure you knew this, but if someone is a sedevacantist they are not usually an SSPX follower. It's two different philosophies though both (generally) consider the other in line with Catholicism.[/quote] That's not at all true; the SSPX are tolerant of sedevacantism in their followers, and in their priests, as long as the priests don't make any public statements about it. One of their bishops (don't remember his name -- the one who said that women shouldn't go to college, because they won't be able to be obedient to their husbands if their husbands aren't more educated from them) said, when asked about whether JPII was the pope, that there was no way to know for sure. The parish I attend wasn't always legit -- it was an independent parish that came back in line with the diocese about 6 months before I started attending. The bishop gave us a full indult to exclusively celebrate the sacraments according to the 1962 forms, and provided us with 2 priests from the diocese that were very orthodox and said the extraordinary form better than their old pastor, and yet about half the parish left, because they were mostly sedes, and they purchased an old protestant church 2 towns over, and brought the SSPX in.
prose Posted September 5, 2007 Posted September 5, 2007 So.... ... If no one knows where the Church is, or how to get to it, or its' phone number, or any contact information, how do they have anyone going there?
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