6 Nuns Excommunicated For Heresy

[JoeyP]

[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/27/national/main3303553.shtml"]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/27/...in3303553.shtml[/url]


What is going on in the Church???? Geez. They claim their leader is the reincarnation of Mary.

[salterrae]

I read about this in my Zenit eLetter.

I got goosebumps reading this part:

[quote]Church officials removed the Eucharist from the monastery Tuesday night.

"They will no longer have any sacraments," Monsignor Hebert said.[/quote]

*shivers*

[goldbug16]

Sheesh.

[IrishSalesian]

wow, this doesnt happen every day...

[Totus Tuus]

They are more attached to some wacko lady who thinks she's possessed by Mary than they are to Jesus and His Church... that's so sad

[Socrates]

It's good the Monsignor's putting his foot down.
(Though I think this is more a gaggle of silly deluded old ladies than any serious threat to Catholicism)

[Hashbrowns]

"I read about this in my Zenit eLetter.

I got goosebumps reading this part:

QUOTE
Church officials removed the Eucharist from the monastery Tuesday night.

"They will no longer have any sacraments," Monsignor Hebert said.


*shivers*
"

Yikes! No sacraments! I knew that it was part of excommunication, but i agree, that's a scary thought! We definatly need to pray for them.

Edited September 28, 2007 by Hashbrowns

[Chiquitunga]

Their site, [url="http://www.adorationchapel.org/"]http://www.adorationchapel.org/[/url]

It looks like they could have been great sisters with Perpetual Adoration and everything, if it weren't for this. How sad ..




The article in cappie's thread .. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=73256"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=73256[/url]

says the two remaining sisters of the community that do not belong to the Army of Mary will be moving to another convent.

Edited September 28, 2007 by Margaret Clare

[toledo_jesus]

something about when a community of nuns collectively reaches 80...it's bad news for their sanity.

Could be the rot of liberal theology which has made their particular religious life unattractive to young women of substance.

[Sister Rose Therese]

It isn't the first time wacky idea's like this have led people astray in the Church. This is how we can be misled when we prefer our own judgement to the authority of the Church.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Sister Rose Therese' post='1394712' date='Sep 28 2007, 08:55 AM']It isn't the first time wacky idea's like this have led people astray in the Church. This is how we can be misled when we prefer our own judgement to the authority of the Church.[/quote]

Amen, Sister!

[Chiquitunga]

[url="http://www.de-vrouwe.net/downloads/english/070918_Army_of_Mary.pdf"]Official press release[/url] (pdf file) from the Diocese of Haarlem/Amsterdam, September 18, 2007

[url="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/our_lady_of_all_nations.htm"]http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/our_lad...all_nations.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.de-vrouwe.net/"]http://www.de-vrouwe.net/[/url]

[AlterDominicus]

Hebert said the sect's members believe that its 86-year-old founder, Marie Paule Giguere, is the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary and that God speaks directly through her. <

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON!!!!


[quote name='Sister Rose Therese' post='1394712' date='Sep 28 2007, 09:55 AM']It isn't the first time wacky idea's like this have led people astray in the Church. This is how we can be misled when we prefer our own judgement to the authority of the Church.[/quote]

Amen, amen! We [b]MUST[/b] pray!!

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Dr. Mark Miravalle, one of the world's leading Mariologists (who would never oppose the Magisterium), says that Our Lady of All Nations is okay, despite some of the groups attached to it.

I reserve judgment until the Vatican speaks officially and definitively. However, it is clear that this associated group is the work of the devil.

[Maria]

Members of the movement (the Army of Mary) say that they do not hold that the foundress is the reincarnation of Mary; Mary just speaks through her or something. This isn't an old, dying group; they have, from what I have seen/read, a decent number of young priests. They don't seem terribly liberal, either, but the comment about trusting their own judgement (and the claimed revelations) over the authority of the Church is dead on.

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1398786' date='Oct 7 2007, 08:49 AM']Dr. Mark Miravalle, one of the world's leading Mariologists (who would never oppose the Magisterium), says that Our Lady of All Nations is okay, despite some of the groups attached to it.

I reserve judgment until the Vatican speaks officially and definitively. However, it is clear that this associated group is the work of the devil.[/quote]
Yes, his article here: [url="http://www.motherofallpeoples.com/index.php/Marian-Private-Revelation/Between-Condemned-Army-of-Mary-and-Authentic-Lady-of-All-Nations-An-Ocean-of-Separation.html"]Between Condemned Army of Mary and Authentic Lady of All Nations: An Ocean of Separation[/url]

The local ordinary, Bishop Punt, for the Lady of All Nations apparitions/devotion has declared it to be supernatural in origin - [url="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/our_lady_of_all_nations.htm"]http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/our_lad...all_nations.htm[/url]

The Army of Mary mov't out of Quebec (also called "The Community of the Lady of All Nations") has a devotion to the approved Lady of All Nations, in addition to following the false visionary of Quebec, Marie-Paule Giguère. Unfortunately, they tried to associate themselves with the Lady of All Nations out of Amsterdam, with its approved status, and made false claims that the approved visionary of Amsterdam, Ida Peerdeman, said that the visionary/founder of the Army of Mary, Marie-Paule Giguère, was authentic.

But as the following official press from the Diocese of Haarlem/Amsterdam says, any such claims are false, and the Army of Mary is completely separate from the Lady of All Nations of Amsterdam.

[url="http://www.de-vrouwe.net/downloads/english/070918_Army_of_Mary.pdf"]Official press release[/url] (pdf file) from the Diocese of Haarlem/Amsterdam, September 18, 2007

[url="http://www.de-vrouwe.net/"]http://www.de-vrouwe.net/[/url]

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1398786' date='Oct 7 2007, 08:49 AM']Dr. Mark Miravalle, one of the world's leading Mariologists (who would never oppose the Magisterium), says that Our Lady of All Nations is okay, despite some of the groups attached to it.

I reserve judgment until the Vatican speaks officially and definitively. However, it is clear that this associated group is the work of the devil.[/quote]
But yeah, that is always the best position to have. I personally believe the Lady of All Nations apparitions are authentic, and trust Dr. Miravalle's writings on private revelation, but definitely reserve final judgment to the Vatican.

[Guest Go4th2Love]

Somebody please corrct me if I am wrong, but the article says that excommunication prohibits the nuns
from "participating" in the liturgy. I have been lead to believe that excommunication only prohibits reception of the sacraments. Maybe they meant "participate" (in the common usage of the word participate), that they could not serve actively in the mass, i.e. music or extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. Does the Church ever actually prohibit someone from "attending" mass?

[CoffeeCatholic]

participating in the liturgy means receiving holy communion. Going to mass and "Participating" fully, are totally different things