thessalonian Posted October 1, 2007 Posted October 1, 2007 Do you care about the souls of others (if you actually believe in souls) or is this just an "intellectual" excercise for you at phatmass?
carrdero Posted October 1, 2007 Posted October 1, 2007 (edited) [quote name='thessalonian' post='1396024' date='Oct 1 2007, 02:29 PM']Do you care about the souls of others (if you actually believe in souls) or is this just an "intellectual" excercise for you at phatmass?[/quote] I am a big believer of souls and I am sure that there is much to learn from every forum member but I'm not sure what you mean when you ask "do I care about souls." Can you elaborate on that a little more please. Edited October 1, 2007 by carrdero
thessalonian Posted October 2, 2007 Author Posted October 2, 2007 Their eternal destiny. Their well being. Their health.
carrdero Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1396484' date='Oct 2 2007, 09:25 AM']Their eternal destiny.[/quote] I believe the soul to be immortal and not in any danger and/or threat or in need of rescue and/or salvation from any other entities or external source. [quote name='thessalonian' post='1396484' date='Oct 2 2007, 09:25 AM']Their well being.[/quote] I believe the well BEing of the soul depends on the individual and what this entity has purposed for their soul. [quote name='thessalonian' post='1396484' date='Oct 2 2007, 09:25 AM']Their health.[/quote] I believe that the soul cannot get sick.
thessalonian Posted October 2, 2007 Author Posted October 2, 2007 So a soul of a mass murder or rapist is not sick? So your answer is you don't really care about anyone's soul or eternal destiny. That's what I thought.
carrdero Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) [quote name='thessalonian' post='1396669' date='Oct 2 2007, 04:01 PM']So a soul of a mass murder or rapist is not sick?[/quote] I think you are referring to the human mind when you use the example of a murder or rapist. The human mind and the human body and the spiritual soul that occupies this physical shell are three different concepts. A soul is not capable of murder but a human mind and body are. I don’t think the mind of a mass murder or a rapist is sick but I do feel there is some understanding that everyone is not considering. [quote name='thessalonian' post='1396669' date='Oct 2 2007, 04:01 PM']So your answer is you don't really care about anyone's soul or eternal destiny.[/quote] The soul upon death will have no problem finding its way back to the spiritual realm. What concern do you believe I should have for a soul that is immortal? [quote name='thessalonian' post='1396669' date='Oct 2 2007, 04:01 PM']That's what I thought.[/quote] Are we done? Did I pass? Edited October 2, 2007 by carrdero
thessalonian Posted October 2, 2007 Author Posted October 2, 2007 If you wish to start another thread you may. It is my perogative as to whether I want to answer however. I believe I already gave my opinion about casting pearls in another thread however.
carrdero Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 How old are you? What is your profession? Do things like murder, raping and other crimes concern you? How much do they concern you?
thessalonian Posted October 2, 2007 Author Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) Edited October 2, 2007 by thessalonian
carrdero Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1396684' date='Oct 2 2007, 04:39 PM']If you wish to start another thread you may. It is my perogative as to whether I want to answer however. I believe I already gave my opinion about casting pearls in another thread however.[/quote] So the purpose of this thread was not an interest to listen and understand my beliefs and it was not intended to discuss, compare, debate or to reason our beliefs but to promote a false sense of superiority for yourself by pre-judging me? That’s what I thought it was for.
prose Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 [quote name='carrdero' post='1396686' date='Oct 2 2007, 03:43 PM']Do things like murder, raping and other crimes concern you? How much do they concern you?[/quote] I should hope they concern everyone. And I hope they concern everyone to a great degree.
prose Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 [quote name='carrdero' post='1396670' date='Oct 2 2007, 03:15 PM']The soul upon death will have no problem finding its way back to the spiritual realm. What concern do you believe I should have for a soul that is immortal?[/quote] So what exactly is the purpose of a soul to you? I am really trying to understand. This is what I got: A soul, in your opinion, is intrinsically good and can not be corrupt, but a mind can do evil things, so a soul is always okay, and if it is stuck in a "bad" body, that is fine because it will soon exit it?
thessalonian Posted October 2, 2007 Author Posted October 2, 2007 [quote]superiority for yourself[/quote] Stop judging me. I don't know whether you would go to heaven or hell if you died at this moment. This thread really had no purpose at all. I did not expect to get a rational answer but some gobbledegook about entities and gods and your personal beliefs upon which you act that have no concern for the salvation of others. There is no concern in your post about the possibility that you could be (and are) wrong and could be dragging others to hell with your personal beliefs. Though I really doudt that you influence too many people.
carrdero Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 [quote name='prose' post='1396717' date='Oct 2 2007, 06:03 PM']So what exactly is the purpose of a soul to you? I am really trying to understand.[/quote] The purpose of the individual soul would depend on the individual and what it would prefer to experience and what aspects it takes on in the physical realm. To provide examples (please keep in mind these are just examples). A cow could purposely provide food for others. A plant could purposely provide oxygen for others. A cat could purposely incarnate to be closer to another entity. A human could purposely run for president. The purpose of the soul could be anything. The purpose would depend on the physical entity that one chooses to incarnate into and the amount of time that this entity has to dwell in the physical.There are as many purposes for entities as there are stars in the heavens. No other entity (superior or otherwise) imposes another purpose and there is no right or wrong purpose and I believe that purpose is not a matter for anyone’s judgment, except the individual who has fulfilled or completed purpose. Purpose can change or go unfulfilled within one’s physical lifetime. [quote name='prose' post='1396717' date='Oct 2 2007, 06:03 PM']This is what I got: A soul, in your opinion, is intrinsically good and can not be corrupt, but a mind can do evil things, so a soul is always okay, and if it is stuck in a "bad" body, that is fine because it will soon exit it?[/quote] Incorrect. The soul in my opinion is Truth. One of those truths is that the body has to pass and that the soul has to return to the spiritual realm. I believe that there is no good and bad, right or wrong that these are only judgments imposed on humans by other humans.
prose Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Okay, so a soul could have the purpose to make other lives miserable. Or to have a miserable life itself? It could have a purpose of being depressed, suicidal, or murderous?
Hashbrowns Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Hmm, I think thessalonian's original questions were meant to be more along the lines of What do you think is your relationship with the souls of others, if any? if not, that's a question I would like answered. In light of this answer, what do you think about crimes like murder, rape, etc, and how do they affect the soul, if at all? And yes, you can ask me questions, and i'll gladly answer them.
carrdero Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 (edited) [quote name='prose' post='1396750' date='Oct 2 2007, 06:51 PM']Okay, so a soul could have the purpose to make other lives miserable.[/quote] I believe that purposes could be shared (purposes designed specifically to cross over into other people’s lives) [quote name='prose' post='1396750' date='Oct 2 2007, 06:51 PM']Or to have a miserable life itself?[/quote] Suffering, misery, pain, sadness are all valid experiences, ones that I believe are not available in the spiritual realm. [quote name='prose' post='1396750' date='Oct 2 2007, 06:51 PM']It could have a purpose of being depressed, suicidal, or murderous?[/quote] The one things that I noticed from your examples is that I personally do not like to experience those things but I do know some people who do. There is an experience that my wife and I recently had with a female close friend of ours. This young friend was entering a relationship with a man that seemed what we thought was not a good endeavor for her. We pointed out all the faults (based on the information about this person that she gave us) with why this relationship wouldn’t work but the young friend went ahead without our best sound advice and learned months later the same exact things that we told her were going to happen. This happens many times to many people than most of us would care to admit. The reason we gave her advice was because we cared about her and did not want to see her get hurt from this relationship, yet she still thought that she could make it work. A lot of times people propose advice or purpose on other people because they do care and probably because they would not enjoy going through the experience and consequences themselves but I am amazed at what circumstances people will follow through with even though they understand many if not all of the consequences of their actions. This I would consider purpose. Even though me and my wife thought it was wrong for our friend to get mixed up with this relationship and that both of us would not be interested in getting ourselves involved in similar circumstances, this friend thought it was important to her and for her purpose and experience. I have also known people who deliberately go out of the way to make things (which you and I would perceive) as difficult for themselves. They enjoy the drama, the suffering, the pain and continue to find themselves back in the same situations. I would suppose that this makes some people feel human or alive. Again one human’s purpose is their own. It is difficult to judge another person’s situations and circumstances. The only thing we can do is define our own. Edited October 2, 2007 by carrdero
carrdero Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 (edited) [quote name='Hashbrowns' post='1396777' date='Oct 2 2007, 07:23 PM']Hmm, I think thessalonian's original questions were meant to be more along the lines of What do you think is your relationship with the souls of others, if any? if not, that's a question I would like answered. In light of this answer, what do you think about crimes like murder, rape, etc, and how do they affect the soul, if at all?[/quote] A little of this understanding could have been answered in my response to prose but I believe that things like murder could be a shared purpose. I believe that everyone has to die and that everyone has to die in some way and that there is no right or wrong way to die and that this is not our home. Murder may be an agreement previously arranged with another entity to exit this physical existence. Not every soul chooses a peaceful deathbed passing and we all know how impatient humans can become waiting for the next Natural disaster to occur (and don't get me started on the price of airfare needed to reach some of these disasters). Many people may not be courageous enough to end their own life and diseases would seem an unpleasant experience to encourage. Some people may find murder an unappealing way to exit this physical existence because possibly that is what they are accustomed to believe or it may be a method of death that might not be preferrable to them (dying from a car crash might be more their style). I believe death not to be a tradgedy, a loss or something that is unfair. Death is a Truth, you can count on it arriving from anywhere at anytime and everyone will be there to keep their appointment. [quote]Hashbrowns writes:And yes, you can ask me questions, and i'll gladly answer them.[/quote] Yes, in all my dealings with you Hashbrown, I know you are very approachable. I thank you for the opportunity of getting to know you. Edited October 3, 2007 by carrdero
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