Attending A Private Mass

[chelsea]

[quote name='adt6247' post='1396549' date='Oct 2 2007, 01:40 PM']That's illicit -- there's supposed to be two lit candles at any mass, either ordinary or extraordinary form. The minimum one needs for the mass to be licit:

- covering for the altar or surface used for the altar
- chalice
- paten
- corporal
- purificator
- crucifix
- 2 candles
- missal / lectionary

Plus the standard vestments for the priest.[/quote]

oh no i meant that there was no like, electric lights. there were candles. My priest is very orthodox and all of these things are always present.

[adt6247]

[quote name='photosynthesis' post='1396624' date='Oct 2 2007, 03:54 PM']The collect is part of the Proper of the Mass. It's usually said after the Gloria and before the first reading, and (correct me if I'm wrong) can only be said by a Priest or Deacon. It's in the extraordinary form of the Mass as well as the ordinary form. For example, here is the ordinary form Collect for today (Memorial of the Guardian Angels):

"God our Father, in your loving providence you send your holy angels to watch over us. Hear our prayers, defend us always by their protection and let us share your life with them for ever. We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever. Amen."[/quote]
Actually, one of the collects is called the Collect. The collects include the introit, collect, gradual, communion, and postcommunion. It's a type of prayer, usually ending in "per Dominum nostrum Jesum Crisutm filium tuum..." and answered "amen" by the servers/congregation.

[Guest dudleypoodle]

[quote name='adt6247' post='1396673' date='Oct 2 2007, 03:22 PM']Actually, one of the collects is called the Collect. The collects include the introit, collect, gradual, communion, and postcommunion. It's a type of prayer, usually ending in "per Dominum nostrum Jesum Crisutm filium tuum..." and answered "amen" by the servers/congregation.[/quote]
That's not entirely accurate. Collects do begin with “Oremus” and end with “per Christum Dominum Nostrum” or something to that effect, with “Amen” as the response. It is a form of liturgical prayer composition, and not just one particular prayer in the Mass. The "O God, whose only begotten Son" prayer we say after the Rosary follows the form of a collect.

But not all of the Propers of the Mass follow this form. The Introit and Communion prayers are more like sung antiphons, and the gradual & alleluia/tract follow the form of responsorial verse. They're not collectual at all.

Of the liturgical prayers you mentioned, only the Collect and Postcommunion follow the format you've described. The [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04103a.htm"]Catholic Encyclopedia article[/url] on the subject says that referring to the Secret or Postcommunion prayers as "collects" can be accurate, but it is an antiquated usage of the term.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='kateri05' post='1396588' date='Oct 2 2007, 01:29 PM']i'm not sure what you are referring to as "wrong." it is not wrong to discuss and promote the understanding of the Eucharist as a Sacred Family Meal (its in the CCC).

however, if you were saying its wrong to say this is the preeminent characteristic, then i agree, because it is first and foremost a participation in the Sacrifice at Calvary.

i just wanted to make sure you weren't throwing out the baby with the bathwater [/quote]

All I was addressing was the preeminence of the meal aspect. I think it is, if anything, a minimal aspect. I'm not arguing that it isn't a part of it at all. Honestly I don't know, because I haven't researched too much on this aspect in pre-Vatican II theology. Whether its in the CCC or not doesn't really mean anything to me. I couldn't really care less if its in the CCC. But no, I wasn't saying it doesn't exist at all (as I don't know for sure and thus wasn't addressing that), just that it is becoming a very common idea that this idea of a meal is becoming the focus of the Eucharist for a lot of people and I feel that is a wrong understanding of the Eucharist.

But this is all quite off-topic so should probably be left alone from now on.

[Aloysius]

to clear things up: the introit, collect, gradual, communion, and postcommunion, are all collects.

sometimes the collect is also called simply the prayer, but it may be referred to simply as the "collect"

so adt was right, and so were you, all collects are collects, including the collect. making sense? haha

[Birgitta Noel]

Some time ago I had the privilege of attending the private mass of a very holy priest on a regular basis. Sometimes he gave a homily directed right at me. It was amazing the words the Holy Spirit would put on his heart and lips.

I too found it to be a very spiritually intimate experience both with him and with Christ.

It was a real blessing to me at the time. One night I was deep in prayer before communion and when I opened my eyes to get up to receive communion there was Father standing before me bringing Christ to me. (It is a very small chapel, he was only two steps away). I hadn't noticed that Father had walked up to me and I was astounded. Here I was on my knees and here was Christ coming to me. I wasn't walking up to receive Him, He had come to me. It struck me so deeply.

I love private masses. I too find it easier to focus.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1396713' date='Oct 2 2007, 06:50 PM']to clear things up: the introit, collect, gradual, communion, and postcommunion, are all collects.

sometimes the collect is also called simply the prayer, but it may be referred to simply as the "collect"

so adt was right, and so were you, all collects are collects, including the collect. making sense? haha[/quote]

If a collect is a prayer that begins with "Oremus" and is directed towards the Father through the Son who reigns with the Holy Spirit and ends with something like "per christum dominum nostrum" then why would prayers like the Introit or Gradual be referred to as collects? They don't follow the form of a collect.

[Aloysius]

woops, my bad, I misunderstood... I thought he was trying to say that there isn't one particular prayer which is called the collect... yeah, you're right.