Most Overrated Controversial Film?

[PapaHilarious]

This thread was long overdue

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[goldenchild17]

I suppose I don't have much to contribute to this thread seeing as I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain and Leprechaun 4 was just dumb and I thought both crash and million dollar baby were very good movies despite their obvious moral dilemma. And I though Pan's Labyrinth one of the best films I've ever seen. Not sure what was problematic about it, though I'm sure I may have missed something. Of that list, I would suspect I would pick Brokeback had I the guts to actually watch it. But I don't .

Edited October 22, 2007 by goldenchild17

[rachael]

Crash and Pan's Labyrinth are two of my favorite movies.

[Clauda]

Pan's Labyrinth was amazing. And I still need to see Crash, but I'm almost positive I'm going to love it.

[rachael]

[quote name='Clauda' post='1407119' date='Oct 22 2007, 10:31 AM']Pan's Labyrinth was amazing. And I still need to see Crash, but I'm almost positive I'm going to love it.[/quote]
Crash has a lot of violence, cussing, and I think some nudity....but it does have a scene relating to Saint Christopher.

[scardella]

It would help if I had seen any of the movies...

[Aloysius]

"Pan's Labyrinth" is probably included here because they feel it portrays Franco in too bad a light. If you listened to a lot of modern history writers, Franco's as bad as Hitler or Moussilini. I don't buy that, and neither should you. Not saying you should agree with everything he did, but I think it ought to be recognized that Franco was not as bad a guy as some make him out to be; and Pan's Labyrinth is a pretty anti-Franco piece.

A good book about Franco is The Last Crusade by Warren H. Carroll.

I'm surprised goldenchild did not recognize that as the reason, being such a traditionalist I would've imagined he'd be very pro-Franco.

All that historical political religious context aside, I can enjoy a good escapist piece about the Spanish Civil War and still think that Franco's regime was much better than the alternative the same way I could enjoy a good escapist piece about WWII while still thinking it was necessary for the Allies to fight.

[PapaHilarious]

[quote name='rachael' post='1407121' date='Oct 22 2007, 08:36 AM']Crash has a lot of violence, cussing, and I think some nudity....but it does have a scene relating to Saint Christopher. [/quote]

[i]Leprechaun 4[/i] has a scene relating to St. Leprechaun, patron of mind-boggling films.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1407135' date='Oct 22 2007, 09:57 AM']"Pan's Labyrinth" is probably included here because they feel it portrays Franco in too bad a light. If you listened to a lot of modern history writers, Franco's as bad as Hitler or Moussilini. I don't buy that, and neither should you. Not saying you should agree with everything he did, but I think it ought to be recognized that Franco was not as bad a guy as some make him out to be; and Pan's Labyrinth is a pretty anti-Franco piece.

A good book about Franco is The Last Crusade by Warren H. Carroll.

I'm surprised goldenchild did not recognize that as the reason, being such a traditionalist I would've imagined he'd be very pro-Franco.

All that historical political religious context aside, I can enjoy a good escapist piece about the Spanish Civil War and still think that Franco's regime was much better than the alternative the same way I could enjoy a good escapist piece about WWII while still thinking it was necessary for the Allies to fight.[/quote]

Yeah I picked up on that too and I can see where that can cause disagreement, as it did with me. But I definitely wouldn't classify it as troublesome because of that. For me personally, I'd much rather see a film about a political disagreement and see it well done, than to sit through any number of films of moral questionability. There was nothing morally wrong that I can see about this film and I've seen it like 4 times now, but maybe I missed something else? One's support of Franco doesn't really have any bearing on salvation either way as far as I can tell and I think it was at least tastefully done, especially seeing as any issues against the Church were not included in the film at all.

Edited October 22, 2007 by goldenchild17

[Lil Red]

seriously, they made a leprechaun 4? the mind boggles at the thought.

[PapaHilarious]

[quote name='goldenchild17' post='1407152' date='Oct 22 2007, 09:39 AM']...especially seeing as any issues against the Church were not included in the film at all.[/quote]

you must not remember the scene with the evil Catholic priest at the roundtable dinner. good times

[Justin86]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1407164' date='Oct 23 2007, 01:49 AM']seriously, they made a leprechaun 4? the mind boggles at the thought.[/quote]
In space nonetheless...

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='PapaHilarious' post='1407178' date='Oct 22 2007, 11:15 AM']you must not remember the scene with the evil Catholic priest at the roundtable dinner. good times [/quote]
good catch . I still don't really see it as a problematic film. It was amazing artistically and I don't think really comes close to comparing with any number of films one could harp on.

[LouisvilleFan]

Never heard of Pan's Labyrinth or Leprachaun 4. Chose Million Dollar Baby because I bought that movie (on sale) expecting a feel-good underdog story sports flick, but ended up getting punched in the gut. Never watched it again... if I ever find myself in the mood for watching that movie, I'll just report myself to a psychiatrist to find out what's wrong with me.

As for Crash, what's wrong with that one? Just cussing and violence?

[PapaHilarious]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1407220' date='Oct 22 2007, 11:07 AM']As for Crash, what's wrong with that one?[/quote]

Matt Dillon having a job.

[goldenchild17]

touche

[hyperdulia again]

Viva el Caudillo!

[GodChaser]

Actually,

I would have to vote Divinci Code first. Crappy, Crappy movie. God sure did know how to take something that is against him, and make it crappy.

And then I have to say the movie Zeigiest, which many of you probably haven't heard of.

It tries to prove Christianity is just a Pagan Religion, like all the others. I haven't watched it yet, but I will soon.

[Aloysius]

your second one doesn't sound like it qualifies as "overrated"

[PapaHilarious]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1407248' date='Oct 22 2007, 11:51 AM']Actually,

I would have to vote Divinci Code first. Crappy, Crappy movie. God sure did know how to take something that is against him, and make it crappy.

And then I have to say the movie Zeigiest, which many of you probably haven't heard of.

It tries to prove Christianity is just a Pagan Religion, like all the others. I haven't watched it yet, but I will soon.[/quote]

[i]The Da Vinci Code[/i] isn't a movie, silly. I would argue it's more similar to the optical effect of staring into a laser-pointer than a film.

As for [i]Zeitgiest,[/i] I never heard of it until now. But doing a quick google search, I already found some sites that quickly break down all the lies it uses as "history." It's crazy how much money there is in blatant lying. Fortunately for me, I might find some takers on my bio-pic [i]Franklin Roosevelt: First Gay Astronaut of the 14th Century.[/i] Money train, here I come!