Should Heterosexuals Be Allowed To Breathe?

[goldenchild17]

Heterosexuals should not be allowed to breathe. We should all just hold our breath until we burst. Then there will be only homosexuals left on earth and the human race would end .

[ilovechrist]

[quote name='TempleofVesarius' post='13805' date='Aug 5 2003, 07:57 AM']
takes a deep breathe.....i think breathing should be outlawed by the government, just so i can break a law.
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i [i]couldn't agree more[/i] with you Temple. but on the subject of homosexuality--until science shows me otherwise, i simply believe homosexuality to be a mental disorder.

[Like a Child]

[quote name='ilovechrist' post='1026238' date='Jul 17 2006, 03:12 PM']
i [i]couldn't agree more[/i] with you Temple. but on the subject of homosexuality--until science shows me otherwise, i simply believe homosexuality to be a mental disorder.
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Science has actually already shown otherwise. The following is quoted directly from the American Psychological Association:

"Is homosexuality a mental illness or emotional disorder?

No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself,is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation."

[i]Kinda hard to argue with the experts. . .don't ya think?

[Era Might]

I don't know how they define "mental", but suffice it to say homosexuality is a sexual disorder.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Like a Child' post='1027012' date='Jul 18 2006, 04:12 PM']
Science has actually already shown otherwise. The following is quoted directly from the American Psychological Association:

"Is homosexuality a mental illness or emotional disorder?

No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself,is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation."

[i]Kinda hard to argue with the experts. . .don't ya think?
[/quote]
Actually, it's pretty easy.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=52632"]Been there. Done that.[/url]

[Jaime]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1027085' date='Jul 18 2006, 07:48 PM']
Actually, it's pretty easy.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=52632"]Been there. Done that.[/url]
[/quote]

Not with any authority or competence but....


sure

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Like a Child' post='1027012' date='Jul 18 2006, 04:12 PM']
Science has actually already shown otherwise. The following is quoted directly from the American Psychological Association:

"Is homosexuality a mental illness or emotional disorder?

No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself,is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.

In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation."

[i]Kinda hard to argue with the experts. . .don't ya think?
[/quote]

The American Psychiatric Association I'm sure will also say theres nothing wrong with homosexuality in the first place, which is incorrect. If they can be dead wrong about that, why not dead wrong about it being a mental disorder?

BTW they list Alcohol Addiction, Sexual Addiction, Sexual Disorder NOS and Gender Identity as Psychiatric/Mental Disorders. These disorders are also very similar to homosexuality, which by someones free will are at first chosen but commented long enough they suffer from selfmade Psychiatric Disorders, or make themselves slaves of sin, and therefor the devil.

Even being addicted to shopping can be a Psychiatric/Mental Disorder, but not homosexuality? Come on, please get real.

[jmjtina]

what a teaser. and here I was thinking hyper was back.

[Like a Child]

Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!
Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!
Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!

Why are you SO threatened by homosexuality?
What is so disordered in YOU that makes you this defensive and spiteful?
Get OVER it! There will always gay people around to torture your delicate sensibilities

. . .and they'll always dress better than you too. :

[Era Might]

I'm no more threatened by sexual attraction to the same sex than I am by sexual attraction to hamburgers. They are both unfortunate disorders of the sexual appetite, and those who suffer from those disorders are called to chastity like everyone else.

But, if you try to marry a hamburger, and force that marriage on society, I have a problem.

Edited July 20, 2006 by Era Might

[Like a Child]

no burgers for me, thanks. . .

Although I disagree about the "disorder" thing, I DO think we are all called to chastity.

And also, two people of the same gender wanting to get married and believing they should have the same rights as everyone else does not equate to "forcing" their way of life on society.

Sorry to disappoint, but there is no "gay agenda" as so many seem to believe. Gays and lesbians just want to be treated the same way as you or I are treated. They know they deserve such equality and so they fight for it.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Like a Child' post='1027672' date='Jul 20 2006, 04:50 PM']
And also, two people of the same gender wanting to get married and believing they should have the same rights as everyone else does not equate to "forcing" their way of life on society.
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The problem with this is that marriage is a Sacrament, not a legal union of two citizens. Civil marriage is meaningless outside man-made secular law - both for hetero and homosexuals according to the Church. Rights cannot be demanded from God, and Scripture is very clear when it speaks on homosexual relationships. God bless!

[Era Might]

[quote]And also, two people of the same gender wanting to get married and believing they should have the same rights as everyone else does not equate to "forcing" their way of life on society.[/quote]
Just believing it? No. They're not content with just believing it. That's why they're trying to change the law right now, and it's also why they won't let the people vote on the matter. They want to force their morality on us.

[quote]Sorry to disappoint, but there is no "gay agenda" as so many seem to believe. Gays and lesbians just want to be treated the same way as you or I are treated. They know they deserve such equality and so they fight for it.[/quote]
Believe me, I treat homosexuals the same way I treat everyone else. When they're wrong, I tell them so, and I call them to the love of God and the truth he has revealed in Christ. Homosexuality, like contraception, like greed, like pride, like malice, is a sin. Homosexuals aren't the only sinners in the world; they just happen to be in the news right now.

Homosexuals are just as free as anyone else to marry a person of the opposite sex. Heterosexuals are not free to marry whoever they want. They are limited to the opposite sex as well. There is no double standard. If a heterosexual wants to marry their mother, we say no, because a child cannot marry its mother.

When heterosexuals want abortion on demand, I tell them no. When heterosexuals want pornography on demand, I tell them no. When heterosexuals want divorce on demand, I tell them no. I do not discriminate when it comes to sin. If I'm gonna call heterosexuals to holiness, I have to do the same for homosexual persons.

Otherwise, I WILL be depriving them of a basic human right, the right to know the truth that sets them free.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Like a Child' post='1027608' date='Jul 20 2006, 01:20 PM']
Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!
Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!
Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!

Why are you SO threatened by homosexuality?
What is so disordered in YOU that makes you this defensive and spiteful?
Get OVER it! There will always gay people around to torture your delicate sensibilities

. . .and they'll always dress better than you too. :
[/quote]
Way to ad hominem . . .

Back to the topic, it's silly to pretend like the Church's teachings on homosexuality are just the personal opinions of some folks on Phatmass.
That homosexuality is sinful and disordered is the clear and constant teaching of the Church, as clearly found in the Bible (in both the Old and New Testament), the Catechism, and the teachings of the Fathers of the Church through the centuries.

Perhaps you should address that issue, rather than calling names ("homophobe") and attacking the character of those who disagree with you.

As Christians, we are to defend Christian morality whenever it is under public attack, and to call sin by its name, no matter how politically-incorrect it may be. Thus we speak out against homosexuality when it is promoted as good, just as we speak out against contraception, abortion, and other evils.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Like a Child' post='1027608' date='Jul 20 2006, 01:20 PM']
Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!
Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!
Lions and tigers and homophobes, oh my!

Why are you SO threatened by homosexuality?
[/quote]


I am threatened by nothing, I have Christ thus I have nothing to fear. I am not a homophobe. I am a sinner, but I repent of those sins.

[quote name='Like a Child' post='1027608' date='Jul 20 2006, 01:20 PM']
What is so disordered in YOU that makes you this defensive and spiteful?
Get OVER it! There will always gay people around to torture your delicate sensibilities

. . .and they'll always dress better than you too. :
[/quote]

Simpley because I defeat your opinion with logic and fact doesnt make me spiteful. However I do have a heart disorder which will probably not let me live past the age of 30, and I'm 25, guess that could be a delicate sensibility, but I dont think so... What makes you so prideful and rude? You know that when Christ returns He will defeat Satan, all sin, and cast all unrepented sinners into everlasting fire. Pridefull unrepented sinners will not be around forever ("gay" or straight) to torture true christians.

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All the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They prostrated themselves before the throne, worshiped God,
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and exclaimed: "Amen. Blessing and glory, wisdom and thanksgiving, honor, power, and might be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
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Then one of the elders spoke up and said to me, "Who are these wearing white robes, and where did they come from?"
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I said to him, "My lord, you are the one who knows." He said to me, "These are the ones who have survived the time of great distress; 8 they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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"For this reason they stand before God's throne and worship him day and night in his temple. The one who sits on the throne will shelter them.
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They will not hunger or thirst anymore, nor will the sun or any heat strike them.
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For the Lamb who is in the center of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of life-giving water, 9 and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."[/quote]

Cant think of a better way to live and to be dress...

[matthew1618]

I think they should only be allowed to breathe Wednesdays and Tuesdays. On Mondays and Fridays they should only be allowed b/t 8:00am to 5:00pm.

Thank you for your serious question.

[Like a Child]

I'm sorry you all took that personally. . .really I was just trying to have fun with you. I guess the title of this thread made me feel a bit freer with my responses.

Although I vehemently disagree with you on this issue, I respect that at least you are willing to take a stand on something. . .most people in this day and age aren't willing to stand up for much of anything.

I just wish this stand of yours wasn't so hurtful to others. Don't doubt for an instant that it is.

[Aloysius]

don't doubt for an instant that the other stand, the one which considers homosexuality perfectly acceptable, is not also hurtful to others (i.e. those who went through a lot of suffering to overcome their homosexual attractions)

see, your side can be guilted too. hurt feelings are a part of life. if you're not being hurtful to one side of an issue, chances are you're being hurtful to the other side.

[Like a Child]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1028034' date='Jul 20 2006, 08:41 PM']
I am threatened by nothing, I have Christ thus I have nothing to fear. I am not a homophobe. I am a sinner, but I repent of those sins.
Simpley because I defeat your opinion with logic and fact doesnt make me spiteful. However I do have a heart disorder which will probably not let me live past the age of 30, and I'm 25, guess that could be a delicate sensibility, but I dont think so... What makes you so prideful and rude? You know that when Christ returns He will defeat Satan, all sin, and cast all unrepented sinners into everlasting fire. Pridefull unrepented sinners will not be around forever ("gay" or straight) to torture true christians.
Cant think of a better way to live and to be dress...
[/quote]

I'm very sorry to hear about your heart condition. . .God willing, you'll live way past 30.

To be truthful, this conversation is sad and exhausting for me. All I'm trying to do is speak up for my gay brothers and sisters, who have to put up with the kind of judgmentalism and misinformation that one finds all over this forum, every day of their lives. (And what do I get in return. . .nonsense about not being a "true" Christian and everlasting fire. Yawn. . .)

God love gay people; they are put through so much carp in this life. Innocent as you all may think your judgments are, they are not. Just look at the suicide rate among gay men to figure that one out. Or look at the countless hate crimes still perpetrated against gays and lesbians in our country and around the world. It's "innocent" attitudes like yours that build into an oppressive, hateful fury and cost many young men and women their lives.

My advice to those with anti-gay sentiments would be to keep quiet about it. Focus on your own sins. I know you think you are doing good by telling everybody what the "teaching of the Church" is, but honestly, you're doing more harm than good. Maybe if you better understood where gay people are coming from, you could approach folks with your feelings about homosexuality in a more charitable manner.

One thing that might help you understand where gay people are coming from is to watch Brokeback Mountain. It is such a heart-wrenching love story. The themes of the movie are so familiar to all of us that you forget you're watching a movie about a relationship between two men. All you can feel when you watch it is the familiar ache of desire, heartbreak, and loss. It's a beautiful film. . .

I don't know what else I can say. . .I think I'm done with this topic. Wanna drop it for now?

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1028324' date='Jul 21 2006, 10:58 AM']
don't doubt for an instant that the other stand, the one which considers homosexuality perfectly acceptable, is not also hurtful to others (i.e. those who went through a lot of suffering to overcome their homosexual attractions)

see, your side can be guilted too. hurt feelings are a part of life. if you're not being hurtful to one side of an issue, chances are you're being hurtful to the other side.
[/quote]

Point taken, Aloysius. I don't want to hurt anyone. . .and I apologize if I have.

Peace,
Like a Child

[Era Might]

Like A Child,

How do you know we don't suffer from homosexual inclinations or unchastity?

Homosexuality, unfortunately, has become a politicized cause, so people no longer see it for what it is, a sexual disorder.

How do you know we AREN'T focusing on our own sins? Maybe homosexuality (or unchastity in general) IS our sin, and we are trying to show people the depravity that we ourselves have known and experienced?

Why should we exclude homosexual persons from the truth? That's not very nice. We don't exclude pedophiles from the truth. We don't exclude thieves from the truth. We don't exclude terrorists from the truth.

The idea that recognizing homosexuality for what it is means you are "judgemental" or "uncharitable" is a perfect illustration of how the gay agenda has won. We don't get sensitive when we recognize pedophilia as a sin, as a disorder, even though there are people who are really attracted to children. Why? Because pedophilia hasn't been politicized yet. People still see it for what it is, although that is changing, unfortunately, as it gains acceptance in some circles. It won't be long before the APA decides that pedophilia is fine and healthy.

Whether or not we suffer from unchastity is irrelevant. I was just making a rhetorical point that you're presuming that other people can't relate to homosexual persons. But anyone who has converted from an irreligious life knows the emptiness of a licentious culture. A homosexual can't imagine themselves apart from homosexuality anymore than an alcoholic can imagine themselves without a beer in hand, or someone addicted to pornography can imagine themselves chaste and sober. But nature, and nature's God, has so much more in store for us than those empty pleasures of the flesh. A homosexual person, like the alcoholic, like the pornography addict, like the atheist, is a child of God. Their sin degrades that reality. Which is why we must call them to the liberty that is in Christ, a liberty that cannot be found in the homosexual lifestyle, or any lifestyle that degrades the nature of man.

Edited July 21, 2006 by Era Might