Deb Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='MIkolbe' post='1505975' date='Apr 21 2008, 07:05 PM']where is Dairygirl?[/quote] I miss her and never realized how much I care for her.
Deb Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1505960' date='Apr 21 2008, 06:45 PM']And you're guilty of communism. Plus, you may feel like YOU are a "GREEDY SELFISH PIG" but do not ever call the rest of us that. America is one of the most generous nations on earth. How dare you.[/quote] Sorry, I was not referring to myself as a greedy selfish pig, just referring to the fact that WE do have the wealth in this nation to eliminate all poverty and collectively, as a nation, we do not. Lord forbid we give up that cabin up north or the third car or the multiple vacations or the house so big we have to hire illegal immigrants to clean it. I do dare. I am an American, I have freedom of speech, I am a patriot and I love my country. That does not mean I can not see the bad in it as well as the good. I don't hate (don't hate, appreciate) country nor do I hate (don't hate, appreciate) ihe people who are in it, legal or not. If that makes me a communist, so be it. Now, you are still guilty of windbaggery. Edited April 22, 2008 by Deb
BG45 Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Deb' post='1506130' date='Apr 21 2008, 10:37 PM']Sorry, I was not referring to myself as a greedy selfish pig, just referring to the fact that WE do have the wealth in this nation to eliminate all poverty and collectively, as a nation, we do not. Lord forbid we give up that cabin up north or the third car or the multiple vacations or the house so big we have to hire illegal immigrants to clean it. I do dare. I am an American, I have freedom of speech, I am a patriot and I love my country. That does not mean I can not see the bad in it as well as the good. I don't hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate), appreciate) country nor do I hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate), appreciate) ihe people who are in it, legal or not. If that makes me a communist, so be it.[/quote] Well put. (Though where do I get a job upon graduating that gives me these vacations, cabin, or third car? Not trying to be a butt here. They sound nice, although, so does finally being able to donate to a few listener supported organizations like KLOVE, AIR1, and EWTN.) Edited April 22, 2008 by BG45
Deb Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='BG45' post='1506134' date='Apr 21 2008, 09:45 PM']Well put. (Though where do I get a job upon graduating that gives me these vacations, cabin, or third car? Not trying to be a butt here. They sound nice, although, so does finally being able to donate to a few listener supported organizations like KLOVE, AIR1, and EWTN.)[/quote] I don't know. I never cared enough about working myself to death for a dollar. I tell ya though, my nephew is 24 years old and he makes more money than I do after 27 years on the job. He put his resume on the internet and he has been getting three calls a day. He is now looking at buying a house. He is in computer tech stuff. He works his butt off and loves every single minute of it and he gets paid a lot of money. I don't even understand what he does. Now, if I could just find him a nice Catholic girl to get him back into church.
Knight of the Holy Rosary Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) I think this thread has crossed the threshold into the realm of lameness. Edited April 22, 2008 by Knight of the Holy Rosary
BG45 Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1506144' date='Apr 21 2008, 11:01 PM']I don't know. I never cared enough about working myself to death for a dollar. I tell ya though, my nephew is 24 years old and he makes more money than I do after 27 years on the job. He put his resume on the internet and he has been getting three calls a day. He is now looking at buying a house. He is in computer tech stuff. He works his butt off and loves every single minute of it and he gets paid a lot of money. I don't even understand what he does. Now, if I could just find him a nice Catholic girl to get him back into church.[/quote] Oh nice. I know my resume is in a few databases online, but still no calls yet. I'd rather not work myself to death and be comfortable though, than never have a life outside of the job. I have more than a few relatives who have shown me money isn't everything as their families fall apart...
Deb Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Very wise. Money really does not buy happiness. It does buy freedom but, so does making Christ the center of ones life.
Lil Red Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1506171' date='Apr 21 2008, 08:27 PM']Very wise. Money really does not buy happiness. It does buy freedom but, so does making Christ the center of ones life.[/quote] +J.M.J.+ no, but it sure would take the edge off of the bitterness
BG45 Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I'd say more common sense than wise. I've just watched how it works in life; people with money may have all their material wants, but often, I'd never trade them family lives. And am I misreading you, or was your final bit a reference to the Eucharist? Sorry if I am.
Madame Vengier Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='BG45' post='1506114' date='Apr 21 2008, 08:24 PM']Please Miss,[/quote] Whatever.
Madame Vengier Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='Knight of the Holy Rosary' post='1506147' date='Apr 21 2008, 09:08 PM']I think this thread has crossed the threshold into the realm of lameness.[/quote] So you thought you would just add to the "lameness" by stopping by for the sole purpose of saying how "lame" it is? You guys are really something. But you are right. It is lame. The accusations of "attacks" are lame. Calling Americans "greedy selfish pigs" is lame. Childish suggestions that the thread should be locked down is lame. Using Sacred Scripture as a excuse for lawlessness is lame. Suggesting that we should ignore the sovereign laws of our nation because the Bible tells us to "take in the stranger" is lame. I'm done here. You kids can go back to enjoying the sandbox alone with no one to challenge your radical ideas.
Deb Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='BG45' post='1506347' date='Apr 21 2008, 11:30 PM']I'd say more common sense than wise. I've just watched how it works in life; people with money may have all their material wants, but often, I'd never trade them family lives. And am I misreading you, or was your final bit a reference to the Eucharist? Sorry if I am.[/quote] Our love for Jesus should be the center of our lives. It should direct our actions. Although, yes, the Eucharist is the center of mine. It gives me strength.
Deb Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1506509' date='Apr 22 2008, 05:59 AM']So you thought you would just add to the "lameness" by stopping by for the sole purpose of saying how "lame" it is? You guys are really something. But you are right. It is lame. The accusations of "attacks" are lame. Calling Americans "greedy selfish pigs" is lame. Childish suggestions that the thread should be locked down is lame. Using Sacred Scripture as a excuse for lawlessness is lame. Suggesting that we should ignore the sovereign laws of our nation because the Bible tells us to "take in the stranger" is lame. I'm done here. You kids can go back to enjoying the sandbox alone with no one to challenge your radical ideas.[/quote] I guess we just don't see things the same way. I am a follower of Christ first. He comes before my country, before my family, before anything. I will always look to the word before the laws of any nation. My place here is only temporary. I prefer to have my concern for where I will be in the afterlife come before this one. My actions here will affect that. Yep. My ideas are very radical. Jesus Christ was radical. That is why they killed him. Here is one more lame Scripture for you: John 15:18-21 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. "If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, A slave is not greater than his master ' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also. "But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me.
dominicansoul Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1504355' date='Apr 20 2008, 02:56 PM']Whatever. It's easier to call names and hurl insults than to engage in a discussion about the things you don't agree with, isn't it? Children operate that way, too, so it's not really a foreign concept. You might want to think about monitoring your own displays of "grace and charity" (or lack thereof) before you go accusing someone else of the same thing.[/quote] but....madame...isn't.....that.....what you are doing in every posts you have posted on this thread??? Do you have to be so rude and callous? I actually like some of your points, but can't you engage in this conversation here without being so....how do I say it?.....Un-Christian? I myself don't like multi-culturalism to take precedence in the celebration of MASS. I didn't enjoy much of the music during the D.C. Mass, and I agree, if the Pope would've said a Latin Mass, perhaps He could've shown the rest of the country just how beautiful it is! It was quite embarrassing to watch them botch up the music selection...and to hear the commentator say at the end of it..."That's indicative of the American Church." Yeesh! Let's do all we can to change that! In regards to the Hispanics role in the American Catholic Church: I'm happy for it! When I was a postulant in a very prestigious Dominican community here in the U.S.A, I had the privilege of going to Washington D.C. for the March for Life. At the Youth Mass, Cardinal McCarrick stated at the end of the Mass in perfect Spanish, "The future of the Catholic Church in America is in the hands of the Hispanic Catholics." When he said these words, the whole arena went into an uproar, because the majority of the youth there were, in fact, Hispanic. I was pretty much raised in the "Hispanic" side of the Catholic Church down here in central Texas. I have always found Hispanic Catholics extremely reverent and very humble and pious in their worship at Mass. The Hispanic people here have seen much persecution and have had to cling to their faith through it all. The reason for this, is because here in central Texas...racism abounds. Here in Central Texas, if the trees could speak, they would tell you the horrors they witnessed. People who were not White, meaning, those who weren't Irish, German, or any other European ancestry, that is the blacks and hispanics were attacked and oppressed. Catholic Churches were segregated. I myself was persecuted for being me (Hispanic) when I tried to go to Mass at a "white-only" parish. The Pastor kicked me out and told me I didn't belong there! When I entered a very prestigious Dominican community...I used to joke to my sisters, "St. Dominic and I are the only Hispanics in this community!" I also faced a very obnoxious, racist postulant! And nothing was done about her attacks on my character AT ALL. I don't think certain races can ever imagine what it's like to be hated upon if they've never experienced it. I eventually left this very prestigious Dominican community. If not for my strong Catholic Faith, I could've allowed this to ruin my whole perspective on the Catholic Church. But it didn't. I don't believe in the Catholic Church because of the people who make up my Church. I believe because I believe in Jesus Christ. Perhaps the reasons for this latest development in "catering" and "pandering" to the Hispanic Catholic population in our country, is the fruit of the Hispanic's strong faith and prayers, to one day be accepted without persecution, equal to their white Catholic brothers. I find it a bit refreshing and uplifting to finally be looked upon as an important force in the American Catholic Church. Believe me, after decades of being spit on...this is unbelievable! It can be very easy to judge a whole race when you don't live in their shoes. Illegal immigration, to be fair, is not a good thing for our country because it is criminal, and breaks the law. It isn't right for them to come over here and not pay taxes, etc. But consider that they come here looking for a better life, and many of them are living in dire poverty in Mexico. They come here with hopes and dreams for themselves and for their loved ones. If you could live in their shoes for just one day, perhaps you could find yourself being a little more merciful to their plight. Edited April 22, 2008 by dominicansoul
LouisvilleFan Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1506509' date='Apr 22 2008, 06:59 AM']Suggesting that we should ignore the sovereign laws of our nation because the Bible tells us to "take in the stranger" is lame.[/quote] Sounds like one or the other needs to change.
LouisvilleFan Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='dominicansoul' post='1506544' date='Apr 22 2008, 09:52 AM']I agree, if the Pope would've said a Latin Mass, perhaps He could've shown the rest of the country just how beautiful it is![/quote] Not to be too nitpicky, but there are rules concerning appropriate situations in which the Tridentine Rite may be used, and local bishops still have the power to deny the Rite from being celebrated if those rules aren't followed. For example, those in attendance must be there with the right spirit of understanding and reverence. It simply wouldn't be wise to thrust the Tridentine Rite on thousands of people like that. Plus, considering the challenge it is to maintain reverence in large open air Masses with all the distractions, the experience would be nothing like it is inside a church.
BG45 Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='Deb' post='1506530' date='Apr 22 2008, 09:04 AM']Our love for Jesus should be the center of our lives. It should direct our actions. Although, yes, the Eucharist is the center of mine. It gives me strength.[/quote] Well put again.
Deb Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Thanks. I got my Eucharist this morning and I feel sooooooooooo great!
ardillacid Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 [quote name='MIkolbe' post='1506123' date='Apr 21 2008, 09:28 PM']srsly... where is Dairygirl?[/quote] Are you suggesting that Madame Vengier is just another one of Dairygirl's half-dozen personalities on phatmass?
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