Mr Carter And Hamas

[cmotherofpirl]

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[dairygirl4u2c]

so is calling him mr carter instead of former president carter like a zing to him or? am i just reading too much into this?

i do realize that carter is considered a liberal kook by republicans. which i don't disagree with a whole lot. but, given that that's what he's considered, i wouldn't be surprised if the republican sheep band together to say "mr" instead of something more dignified.
would you say mr bush for the bush's after tehy are done etc?

maybe reading too much into it, i don't know.

[CatherineM]

Perhaps it's Mr. Carter because he's acting as a private citizen and not representing the government. When Bush the Elder and Clinton the Male went on that tour after the tsunamis, they called it the two president's tour. A different function entirely. Maybe I missed it, but what group is Carter representing this time? I'm assuming it's not Habitat for Humanity.

[cmotherofpirl]

Last I checked Mr Carter is no longer president.

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[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1505448' date='Apr 21 2008, 09:48 AM']so is calling him mr carter instead of former president carter like a zing to him or? am i just reading too much into this?

i do realize that carter is considered a liberal kook by republicans. which i don't disagree with a whole lot. but, given that that's what he's considered, i wouldn't be surprised if the republican sheep band together to say "mr" instead of something more dignified.
would you say mr bush for the bush's after tehy are done etc?

maybe reading too much into it, i don't know.[/quote]

Who cares? He supports terrorists and hates Jews.

And he is a liberal kook. Surely even smart liberals know that, too.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1505613' date='Apr 21 2008, 12:14 PM']Perhaps it's Mr. Carter because he's acting as a private citizen and not representing the government. When Bush the Elder and Clinton the Male went on that tour after the tsunamis, they called it the two president's tour. A different function entirely. Maybe I missed it, but what group is Carter representing this time? I'm assuming it's not Habitat for Humanity.[/quote]

He's representing terrorists and Jew-haters.

[CatherineM]

Madame-you seem so angry all the time. I'd like to see a quote that proves that Carter is a Jew-hater. Most liberals are accused of the exact opposite. Trying to be a mediator is a difficult thing. Trying to get one side to compromise in the effort of peace doesn't mean he hates them. The Holy Father has a great interest in there being peace in the middle east. Supporting people that are engaged in that very difficult work seems to be in keeping with the Pope's desires.

[Deb]

I love Jimmy Carter. He was actually a President who lived his faith while in office. He just wasn't enough of a hypocrite to pretend to be anything than other than what he was. A man who truly cared for all the people of the world.
He has done more for more people that most citizens of this country and certainly more than any of the Presidents, past or present.
hate (don't hate, appreciate) speech against anyone isn't really a part of Phatmass. At least not since I have been here. You know who you are.
Windbaggery.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Deb' post='1506131' date='Apr 21 2008, 10:42 PM']I love Jimmy Carter. He was actually a President who lived his faith while in office. He just wasn't enough of a hypocrite to pretend to be anything than other than what he was. A man who truly cared for all the people of the world.
He has done more for more people that most citizens of this country and certainly more than any of the Presidents, past or present.
hate (don't hate, appreciate) (don't hate (don't hate, appreciate), appreciate) speech against anyone isn't really a part of Phatmass. At least not since I have been here. You know who you are.
Windbaggery.[/quote]
"hate (don't hate, appreciate)" Speech? You mean honesty.
He was certainly not a good president, and now he is breaking the law by being in contact with terrorists.

[Mercy me]

Carter got pegged with the anti semite label after his last book. The evidence was so bad that he lost half the board of the Carter Center.

[Socrates]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1505448' date='Apr 21 2008, 09:48 AM']so is calling him mr carter instead of former president carter like a zing to him or? am i just reading too much into this?

i do realize that carter is considered a liberal kook by republicans. which i don't disagree with a whole lot. but, given that that's what he's considered, i wouldn't be surprised if the republican sheep band together to say "mr" instead of something more dignified.
would you say mr bush for the bush's after tehy are done etc?

maybe reading too much into it, i don't know.[/quote]
Calling him "Mr. Carter"??! Wow, the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy knows no bounds!
Last I heard, referring to someone with the title of "Mr." was quite dignified and respectful. I mean, they could've refered to him as jes' plain ol' Jimmy!

[Mercy me]

When he was questioned about going on this trip didn't he say he was going as citizen Jimmy Carter?

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Deb' post='1506131' date='Apr 21 2008, 09:42 PM']He has done more for more people that most citizens of this country and certainly more than any of the Presidents, past or present.[/quote]
lol

edit: a simple lol does not suffice, I must add to my original comment

Edited April 22, 2008 by notardillacid

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Deb' post='1506131' date='Apr 21 2008, 08:42 PM']You know who you are.
Windbaggery.[/quote]

Communism. You know who you are, too. Back from Darfur yet, Deb?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1506291' date='Apr 21 2008, 10:02 PM']Calling him "Mr. Carter"??! Wow, the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy knows no bounds!
Last I heard, referring to someone with the title of "Mr." was quite dignified and respectful. I mean, they could've refered to him as jes' plain ol' Jimmy! [/quote]


Hey, friend! Glad to see you here. This has to be the most hilarious thread going in the forum right now.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Mercy me' post='1506282' date='Apr 21 2008, 09:57 PM']Carter got pegged with the anti semite label after his last book. The evidence was so bad that he lost half the board of the Carter Center.[/quote]

Thanks for mentioning that. I had forgotten all about THE BOOK.

The book notwithstanding, I cannot see how Carter could be anything but a Jew-hater. He holds hands with terrorists who want to not only deny Israel the right to exist (if anyone has no right to exist, it's "Palestine") but also wants to "drive Israel into the sea" to the point that it is "wiped off the map". Not only is Israel in immediate and real danger from Palestinian terrorists Hamas and Hizbollah, but by all its neighbors who are in cohoots with these terrorists to see to Israel's destruction. Thus, Carter's buffoonery is not only lending legitimacy to Hamas but to all the millions and millions and millions of anti-Semitic Islamofascists in the Middle East and indeed, around the world.

And the audacity of Carter to sit down with these thugs, brutes and murderers to draw up a "peace" plan that will include Israel giving up part of its land. UNTHINKABLE!! Israel has already given up part of its land...and is there peace? No.

When will people get it? Islamic terrorists do not want to hammer out any peace plans, make concessions, negotiate or make compromises. They want to destroy Israel. Period.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1506128' date='Apr 21 2008, 08:34 PM']Madame-you seem so angry all the time.[/quote]

You guys are just full of accusations in here, aren't you? If it's not "windbaggery" then it's "ha-te speech" and it's not that then it's "angry all the time". Anything to deflect from having to deal with the actual content of what I'm saying. It's incredible that from two sentences that stated THE TRUTH you would accuse me of anger. I stated that Carter hangs out with terrorists. He does. I stated that he's a Jew-hater. He is.

What's angry about that? Nothing.

[Aloysius]

Jimmy Carter wasn't a good president.

But his intentions here are noble and those who say we should refuse to talk to Hamas are not following Catholic principals. We should talk to anybody who is willing to talk to us in order to attempt to achieve peace. Blessed are the peacemakers. Ignoring the Palestinians will not help ease the tensions caused by their oppression by the old british colony of European Jews known as Israel.

And supporting the rights of the indigenous Palestinians over the rights of a colonial state like Israel to have sovereignty over their own lands is NOT anti-semitic... in fact, Palestinians are semites themselves... but it's not anti-Jewish either; it's anti-oppression. Carter obviously is not supporting terrorist actions but trying to work with the main organized body of people who are asking for their right to self-determination and freedom from Israeli oppression.

All that said, this is a futile effort that will not bear fruit at all and might just make matters worse. Notice how he came out and said they'd be willing to accept the '67 borders and recognize Israel but they responded with yes to '67 borders and no to recognizing Israel? If Carter was a better negotiator he'd have known not to come out with a ridiculous claim that that side actually had not agreed to.

what really needs to happen is for actual governments to sit down with all sides and hammer out something that definitively establishes a Free Palestinian state and legitimately removes Israeli occupation from Palestinian lands; obviously it'd have to be a form of partition as the European Jewish Colonists are not going to pack up and move back to Europe after a few generations (even though they packed up and moved back to Palestine after a couple millenia and claimed it as their own again)... the '67 borders would be a good idea; and then a peace treaty needs to be definitively worked out between those two nations. so long as we're dealing with a mass of people discontented with their lack of a nation, we'll never find a Palestinian government willing to hold up its end of a treaty. if they're a nation which must keep peace with its neighbors for fear of going to war with them, they'll be much more willing to follow treaties for the sake of protecting that country which they won.

[Deb]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1506503' date='Apr 22 2008, 05:28 AM']Communism. You know who you are, too. Back from Darfur yet, Deb?[/quote]


Your exorcism is scheduled for 9:00 am.

[CatherineM]

To make peace you always have to sit down with people that have caused terror. We had to sit down after WWII with the men involved in genocide in Europe and in Asia. Roosevelt had to sit down with Stalin. MacArthur had to sit down with the Japanese that sent his men on the Death March. Can you image how hard that was? How do you guys think that peace in the middle east is going to happen? They have been fighting over that same scrap of land for millennium. Everyone has a claim to some part of it from some time in the past. I'm surprised that the decedents of the Philistines haven't started bombing everyone too so they could reclaim Gaza.